Context: I made a poll on PieFed about the new post flairs (so if you are one of the few hundred people who have a PieFed account, follow that link and answer there). Unfortunately Lemmy has neither polls nor post flairs, so this post is to open up the discussion to the wider Fediverse, or rather the subset of it that encompasses Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, which is called… what exactly?
Is Threadiverse too traumatic & tainted by association with Meta’s (all but entirely defunct) Threads? Is The Verse too cool/poetic/nerdy (but niche) to be understood? I highly advise against Lemmyverse bc mainstream normal people are far less tolerant of tankies than we who are here are willing to put up with. Simply listing the software available sometimes is the best option - like the Interstellar app supports all of Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, but most support at best 1 or 2 of those - but usually is too long to say and does not roll off the tongue, plus will just keep growing as time goes on. Is Forumverse thus the least bad of the available options, or perhaps you have a better idea? 💡
Anyway, the start to a listing:
- Threadiverse
- Forumverse
- (The) Verse
- Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed
- Something else?
I’ve been calling it threadiverse because that is what I saw most other people call it.
Really all it is is “ActivityPub groups” or if that is too technical, “fediverse groups”.
Well, if you look at the sidebar of !fediverse@piefed.social i included NodeBB. 😅
Forumverse : for any news and features about Lemmy, Mbin, NodeBB, PieFed
So it can’t be Lemmy,Mbin,PieFed. And i’m adding flarum.
However, we can create separate category :
- aggregator link : lemmy,mbin,piefed
- forum : nodebb, flarum
For 4) i’m against. Link aggregator shouldn’t be tied by a software name but a global concept as thread of forum. If i have 6 softwares…do you write them all ?
I think we should redo the post, but, for nom, let’s see where it go 😊
aggriverse
Is that bc of this being a post aggregation? Then wouldn’t it be an “aggreverse”?
fedeverse?
I like that one, but it makes me think of agrivate or agriculture
Or “aggressive”
Lem-bin pie?
Lempiebin?
Oh shit my vote made 100%, I didn’t know I was the first to vote.
The Verse it is then 😁
Le Verse in my corner of the world.
Maybe we are poetic!? :-P
Edit 2: and oops, apparently editing a poll to say this erases all of the votes. Welp, we are learning!:-P Sorry about that!
Yup:-( Though only one vote was lost anyway, bc that poll didn’t federate out to Lemmy:-).
I must have missed that, the OP vote seems to have stayed unedited and the vote count seems ok, from my 2 piefed accounts.
Bulletinfedi?
Forumverse gets my vote out of the listed options.
Anything containing “fedi” is going to scare people coming from the USA, for the foreseeable future, unfortunately:-(.
As an American, I don’t connect “fedi-” with the feds.
Yeah the feds are the feds. That’s it
That is halfway a joke.
We also still have Fediverse, to encompass everything that implements the ActivityPub protocol, e.g. Friendica, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Loops (planned but not implemented yet iirc?). So the Threadiverse/Forumverse/Whatever is meant to distinguish from that.
But Bulletinfedi is distinct enough I think?
Because of confederates?
I’m guessing the concern is “the feds”, a pejorative term to refer to undercover police?
As an ESL, I thought that was “narcs”?
That’s “narcissists”.
That too. Short for narcotics officer. But can also generally mean to snitch now in slang.
I’ve always liked threadiverse, since it describes what’s unique about this aspect of the Fediverse.
A quorum of forums.
Threadiverse
Censorverse… If you don’t tow the line we’ll de-federate you, this aspect of Lemmy defeats the entire purpose of federation, might as well just call it Facebook II.
I feel like that’s more just human nature, which occurs everywhere.
Also, you still retain the right to say whatever you want… though conversely, why then shouldn’t the other side of every single conversation likewise have the right to opt out of it?
Unfortunately Lemmy does not offer great tools (though PieFed offers many more!) to close the enormous gap between “must federate everything” vs. “defederation, thus no longer federates anything at all”. Like there’s a “user instance block”, which doesn’t actually block instances nor users on them. So if someone doesn’t like something, block it is then, bc the tools themselves offer nothing else. We are somehow more authoritian than even Reddit was over here!? Yeah, bc Reddit at least notifies you when your content is removed, and offers a modmail to communicate about it, plus a removed post remains accessible to anyone with a link, but not so wrt Lemmy, which shows a 404 not found, please try again later message when a post is removed by a mod. Seriously, “try again”?! - why, is the mod going to reconsider for some reason?
But… it is what it is.
The linked linkers, because we’re link aggregators that link together.
Gonna be the odd one out here and say that all of these names are kinda stupid, but Lemmyverse is probably the best of the bunch.
The word itself sounds nice, but is the least inclusive.
That’s like saying that all of these conversations that we all have are on Lemmy.World? Sure, it’s between 50 and 80% true (users and the most active communities, respectively, including this one we are in now), but it misses a ton of nuance and detail there.
PieFed, Mbin, and now nodebb, with others on the way (flarum, perhaps Sublinks) also exist.
So why call this all “Lemmy”, when that’s only a part - granted, by far the majority portion - of the whole?
Forumverse makes the most sense but it really doesn’t roll of the tounge.
Hence I prefer Lemmyverse or Threadiverse.
I need ad-like branding on what Mbin and PieFed are.
Im too lazy to look it up
They both have features that Lemmy lacks.
Like PieFed has polls, post flairs, hashtags, categories of communities (basically multi-reddits), which are user customizable and shareable, and a lot more. Though lacking quite a bit of polish such as post and comment previews, and very little to almost no official app support (though an API was recently released and Thunder is being tested, and Interstellar already supports it). It’s newer than Lemmy, but written in Python rather than the difficult Rust language, so in many ways has already surpassed Lemmy in terms of features (and even Reddit in some ways too, especially since the only new features there for the last decade were solely aimed at increasing profits rather than good experiences for the users).
Mbin’s primary distinction is also supporting federation not only with Lemmy (and PieFed) but also Mastodon. And it has a different interface that some people prefer to Lemmy’s. If you want both the Threadiverse/Forumverse/Whatever and Mastodon integration with a single account, this is the only option atm.
Both PieFed and Mbin are entirely separate implementations of the ActivityPub protocol, so whether you actually use them or not it is worth celebrating that Lemmy is now not the only one that implements this forum/thread/basically Reddit replacement style (other notable implementations include Friendica a Facebook replacement, and Mastodon an X/Twitter one, Pixelfed I think an Instagram one, etc.). Especially with Lemmy’s association with “tankies” that tends to drive many people away (e.g. 100% of the people that I’ve ever told about Lemmy irl; and Reddit’s r/RedditAlternatives is filled with stories of people who don’t want to come here bc of all the BoTh SiDeS sAmE rhetoric that we allow here, plus Lemmy is somehow more authoritian than Reddit even, having a modlog but no modmail, no notification of a moderation event, no ability to discuss bc it simply says that a “mod” did it, and you don’t have a right to even so much as be told that your content is now removed! instance admins have much more freedom here, it’s fantastic, but actual users only have what manages to trickle down from them, and the software itself very much reflects an authoritarian mindset, even in comparison to Reddit).
Btw, fuck spez.
TLDR: Lemmy isn’t the only game in town, yet we need a name that is both distinct from other Fediverse tools (Mastodon, Friendica, Pixelfed, Loops, etc.) while also being inclusive to the other Reddit replacement tools, currently Mbin and PieFed, but in the future including Sublinks, and who knows what else?
no ability to discuss bc it simply says that a “mod” did it
this is actually an option for instance admins to choose
thanks this helps alot :P
Mbin “Lemmy but also Mastadon”
Threadiverse kinda captures it, but it also calls association with Threads (by Meta), like if it’s the parent of it, while in fact it’s not even part of it.
That’s unfortunate, because some of us were using that term before Threads existed.
