This update borked my Sidebery config. It doesn’t expand on hover anymore. I will look into it after I wake up but does anyone have an idea what could they changed on CSS?
Pretty much every update screws up my config these days, but it’s good because it means they’re actually working on improving the interface
Have any Simple Tab Group users tried out Mozilla’s very overdue revisit to this functionality?
I’m interested in pros and cons before switching over.
Was I signed up for some beta? I’ve had firefox groups for a few weeks now.
And holy shit do I need em.
They do A/B testing for everything now. Why? No clue.
A/B testing a very effective mass testing ground, I’m surprised some people don’t do it. Amazon is probably doing a few dozen a/b tests constsntly
Been loving the feature.
My next hope is that they’ll upgrade tab groups so (when collapsed) I can move them around like normal tabs. Right now it’s a little awkward if I start the group in the wrong spot.
All that article and they don’t say how to use it it turn it on, smh.
I got a big banner page that asked me if I wanted to turn it on once I updated. Can’t miss that really.
Now, the team is experimenting with smart tab groups, a new AI-powered feature that suggests names and groups based on the tabs you have open.
Off course, they found a way to integrate more Ai features.
ffs. Of course they had to slap AI on top of it. Goddammit.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the inclusion of some small AI feature is what justified the rest of this work being done. As in, someone got approval for tab groups only because they were smart enough to describe it as “AI powered tab groups“. Just speculation
Because you know it’s really hard naming your group yourself
Please help me understand how to use tab groups and how to use bookmarks and why they are different things.
For me, open tabs and bookmarks are different levels of the same thing. I’ll open a bunch of tabs researching some take I want to do, and leave them open because I want to come back to that. Bookmarks do the same thing, but with lower visibility and higher permanence.
Tab groups let me group a handful of things to reduce the clutter. Similar to the way that folders are useful within the bookmarks manager.
To use them, just drag one tab on top of another, it’ll make a new group. Give it a name, and you can now expand/collapse. So 10 tabs all related to one tasks can stay in-sight to remind you, but only take up 1 tab’s worth of space in the bar.
Tab groups are built for open tabs, bookmarks are built for revisiting things. Their use cases are quite different in my opinion.
Ok but when do you make the decision to invest in organizing open tabs into groups versus bookmarking them or just moving them to a dedicated window. When do you close the tab or tab group – only when the initiative is over? Do you “archive” those tabs as bookmarks?
And then there’s the profile variable
This question is a highly personal one from my perspective. I haven’t used the groups yet but I often toggle between six or seven contexts throughout the day and I’ll give them a shot for that.
Profiles toggling just didn’t work for me as it was too … Slow for me as in I have to reorientate myself whenever I switched profiles.
Here’s a use case: I often have to open up a bunch of instances of the same website (an internal version of a customer-facing page). They all have the same URL, but because they’re single-page apps, they all have massively different functions. For a few hours, I’ll need to flip back and forth between a few of them at a time, as well as some other websites on different pages, as well as an external program that I’m referencing or modifying. Then I don’t have to do that again for a week or two. So I use a tab group to put all of them in, and then once they’re done, I save and close the tab group to reopen next time.
Here’s another use case: I can use a single tab inside a “tab group” but use the tab group label to “name” the tab. That way, even though I have a dozen tabs open with the project name I work on at the beginning of the title, I can look at the label and know which one is the Jira ticket for the devops task I’m working on, which one is the Jira ticket for the new feature I’m waiting for QA signoff on, which one is the Jira ticket for the dependency update I need to do, etc. I also use this functionality when I have a bunch of stuff processing and I need to remember which one is on which step; do I need to do step 3 on this one or step 4? The tab group label knows.
Or here’s another one: I’m currently in the middle of a big accessibility push for our product’s front-end. I have all of the various tabs and resources and Jira tickets and specs open in a tab group, and I can flip between all of them. I open them all every time because it’s rare that I only want one of them (though, if I do, it’s nice that Firefox automatically sleeps all but the active one when I reopen the group). When I’m working on the project, I open that tab group. When I’m done, I save and close it.
Tab groups were literally the only thing I missed from Chrome when I migrated. I’m so glad to have them back, even though it did take
sevenfive long years. Since it was available as a feature flag, I’ve used it so much.just moving them to a dedicated window.
That’s the key, it’s like having a separate window, but without the separate window.
At work I’ll open anywhere between 40 and 100 tabs at a time, but I want to keep them near my existing tabs and not in another window. I have an extension that opens them all in a new tab group. I typically work from the left edge of the group and close out of tabs as I get through them. I can still hop between my non grouped and grouped tabs without having to change windows. And if I want to pause it for a bit then I “minimize” the group like a window.
Why do you have to “get through them” in a specific order, though?
Because I have bees in my head that tell me to get through them in order
Most of what web browsers do is the same feature multiple times just presented differently
Multitasking, preparing for meetings/workshops, not having to make bookmarks that are only relevant for the duration of a project/task.
There are many valid uses of tab groups that need to be kept open for quick accessibility without waiting for pages to load or finding specific groups of links that will not be relevant in a week
I don’t know about groups specifically, but keeping a tab open retains its history, so you can go back (and forward) later.
Yes, tab groups maintain history, even across save & reopen operations.
Oops, I wasn’t clear… I meant I don’t know what the use-case is for tab groups, but keeping tabs open in any form should save history. (Thank you for letting me know, though!)
I gave a few of my personal use cases above, but in short: when I need to reference or act on multiple things on different sites at short notice, and will probably need to again later; to label tabs; and when I need multiple tabs of the same website, but because the URL doesn’t update a bookmark is insufficient.
Edit: You’re welcome!
instead of having 12984 tabs open, you can have 345 groups with only a few dozen tabs in each one.
I would much rather see Tree Style Tab be integrated.
I use sidebery, I find it even better
Doesn’t seem to indicate whether groups will work with vertical tabs and unless that’s the case, I’m not switching from TST.
I’ve been using tab groups with vertical tabs. No issues here. I’m on stable.
They do work in vertical tabs, but only one level. You can’t have nested tabs as far as I can tell.
Waterfox does this with an improved implementation of tree style tabs. Also zero Mozilla Corp telemetry, opt-in or otherwise.
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Isn’t profile management introduced like right now in the same release?
I feel like this feature is a good idea that has come too late for me. I already “group” stuff via windows. That’ll be a hard habit to break.
Do you use an add-on to prevent that from wiping out all but one window’s worth of tabs when you close them? That’s what originally made me get a tab grouping addon, after losing a ton of tabs when I broke some out into their own window and then later closed the main tab window before the secondary one. Realized immediately what happened but it was already too late to save that entire generation of precious tabs. Who knows what articles I didn’t feel like reading at the time but was totally going to read later I lost forever.
I either let the OS close firefox and then it opens all windows when I next start firefox. Or I use ctrl+shift+n to reopen the last closed window
Ctrl+Q terminates the whole program at once and you don’t lose any windows.
Oh btw, just like Ctrl+shift+t reopens closed tabs, so Ctrl+shift+n reopens whole windows, with all tabs.
Interesting, though you can also just keep pressing Ctrl+Shift+T and it’ll eventually restore entire windows in the reverse order of closure, whether tab or window.
I close all windows at once via the Quit feature, then it re-opens all of them. You can trigger that from the menubar (press Alt to unhide it) in the “File” menu at the bottom.
You can also re-open a closed window from the “History” menu in that menubar.These might also be available in the hamburger menu. I’ve got that hidden, so can’t check easily…
I miss Panorama so much!
Vivaldi: laughing in 2019
Firefox laughing in 2004 with anything else…
I am on Vivaldi now but after manifest v3? I’m very happy to see tab
stackinggrouping come to Firefox based browsers as that’s definitely the escape plan, possibly very soon.You mean laughing in before COVID
Opera had it before they dropped presto back in like 2013.
To be fair, the current Vivaldi team consists of a lot of the ones that made Opera Presto.
Interesting… So Vivaldi is like Opera 2.0?
Hoping someone might be able to help me out with this info, I’ve tried looking and can’t find a solid answer.
When you use the “Save and close group” feature of tab groups, do they
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Stay forever, no matter if you close Firefox, restart your pc, not used that group in months etc.
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Allow an unlimited, or at least a high number, of saved and closed tab groups.
I mainly ask because it specifically puts closed and saved tab groups in a section called “recent tab groups” which sounds suspiciously temporary.
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ok, mozilla is at least doing stuff we want along with ai garbage now.
Thankfully, the useful changes trickle downstream to Waterfox, LibreWolf, Floorp, etc.
the beauty of foss
Except right now you lose all of your open tabs if you close the browser with the “X” on pc or if you shut the computer down.
To make it save your open tabs right now, you have to click the … and then select “exit”.
Can’t you restore them with Ctrl + shift + T or maybe Ctrl + shift + N ?
I think that’s an issue with your install, when I shut down my computer or press the x it restores tabs fine next time I open it.
If it’s with the install, it’s from a bad/corrupted update. FF has been on there for ages. Are you on windows 10? I’ve seen it’s a known issue because it’s findable if you Google it. Be a strange bit of a corrupt install, being that it’s the only issue and that it works as expected if you select “exit” instead of hitting the “X”. Regardless, if you’re also on 64bit win10 system and it works normally for you, I’ll do a clean install.
Do you have “open previous windows and tabs” ticked in settings? I’m also on 64bit win10 without the issue you describe.
Yes this is also on a 64 bit windows 10 install, so in theory yours should be functioning the same. Good luck getting that sorted as if you are like me and frequently use the same tabs that does sound like a pain
When I click history in the menu after reopening firefox, I have an option to restore previous session.
I’ve clicked history to get some pages back, but haven’t noticed a restore previous session option. Great if it’s there, but still a large bug that’s been present for quite a while.
AI garbage seemingly pays the bills…
Seems like it creates bills, but also has enough hype behind it to generate investment/donation interest.
At least the AI runs locally, as opposed to sending everything to someone else’s computer for processing. Local translation in Firefox actually works quite well.
Shit, I remember seeing requests for tab groups for like 20 years under an assortment of names and descriptions. Neat to see. Useless for me, but neat to see.
This is a nice feature when you have a group of multiple sites you need quick access to on the regular. For me, I manage around 12 websites in three environments ; dev, test, and prod. Being able to group the websites by environment keeps things organized and somewhat readily available at two clicks (maybe three if you count collapsing a group before opening another group).
Next they’ll implement DownThemAll natively. Really putting their finger on the pulse of 2008.
OpenSUSE added parallel downloading to zypper a month ago, so anything is possible.
Now, the team is experimenting with smart tab groups, a new AI-powered feature that suggests names and groups based on the tabs you have open.
I bet you one cheap bottle of mineral water they’ll implement this like tomorrow
Great. Now do Guest mode. It’s a must-have for places like libraries and internet cafes - if Firefox equalled Chrome in this regard it’d easily gain a percent on the market share scale.
Is Guest mode different from Private Browsing?
In fact - no, it’s just a reskin of incognito to make it not feel like you’re not watching porn.
Which might make it feel like a non-issue and a useless thing to add, but flip that around - it’s a low-cost, potentially very high-reward improvement. It really should’ve been implemented ages ago.
The only things that need to be changed is the new tab page and the toolbar - both design “improvements”.
Sorry, I’m not totally following here.
What is Guest mode, exactly? Esp if not just a containerized session that clears all cookies, history, and personal data when closed.
It literally is just Incognito (Private browsing), a little reskinned. Pretty much a temporary container living as long as the Ghest window - just like Incognito.
