Bruh a based elected official? In this economy?

I mean BLM didn’t achieve all of its goals, but it was partially effective, but also nobody (AFAIK) went on strike during BLM. The French protests obviously have more juice here.

It’s silly to act like there isn’t enough land for everyone when we’re not really using Utah.

A Utah without a people for a people without a Utah.

I’m not against shitting on Americans, but we should probably wait until the French get something done before doing so.

Fun fact: Even secular wholesome Israelis also want to colonize Palestine (though they’re sometimes less enthusiastic about genociding the inhabitants). Chalking this up to religion has nothing to do with reality and is frankly colonialist apologia.

Okay three things:

1. You are blatantly moving the goalposts right now.

2. Consumer subsidies pass to businesses anyway because they increase demand enabling them to raise prices, as seen from the American college system.

3. Almost every single entry in that article has a subsidies for businesses section.

You can’t be fucking serious. Actual gaslighting.

The violent collapse of Israel will not lead to relief for Palestinians in the short term.

How so? Presumably they won’t have time to kill Palestinians if they’re too busy killing each other, and while that is a gruesome thought it’s not more gruesome than what’s already happening.

Yeah, because European EVs aren’t heavily subsidized.

That’s a common misspelling, but no. The correct version is “Zionism is fascism.”

So two things: First, Trump isn’t a sane and rational actor, but there are sane and rational actors in the US federal government and especially Congress and the private sector (for example the media) that are doing the math on risk vs reward and coming to the conclusion that they should be backing him anyway. No man rules alone; if for example Raytheon or Amazon or General Motors thought that there would be serious consequences to their bottom line if Trump was allowed to continue, he’d have eaten a war powers resolution by now. Hitler wasn’t rational, but you don’t get Hitler without the industrialists and the industrialists backed Hitler because they were getting something out of the deal. Serious backlash from Europe would essentially unite the American capitalist class against Trump, with disastrous consequences for him.

Second, I partially took this into account, which is why I kept emphasizing actors outside the US whose consent mattered here. America can’t project power into Iran without the cooperation of its allies in the Middle East who are much more rational and much more vulnerable to persuasion/coercion by Europe. Trade are obviously very important here (particularly but not exclusively to Israel), and Britain and France maintain important defense relations with several countries in the region. The Emirates for example are an important US ally on the region and I doubt they’d have allowed this to happen (at least on their own soil) if they feared that French arms would dry up. Nobody anywhere seems to have “Europe will hate/like me for this” as part of their calculations here and that’s not the limit of the collective biggest economy in the world’s influence.

Finally an intelligent response. As a minimum culpability measure, we know that America entered this war because Israel did, and it’s undeniably Israel wouldn’t have started this war if he knew it’d cause European trade to dry up. The EU+Britain deserve at least the blame for not using that. With that in mind,

there is no chance that Iran would not have to use their biggest geopolitical leverage against them in a war.

True, but America wouldn’t have started this war if there were going to be consequences for doing so. I remember last year when Canada, Japan and the EU+Britain started selling American bonds to force Trump to back off from Greenland and Canada (which he did, rhetoric aside), so Europe clearly has options for escalation. We’ve also gotten no indication that European countries tried to pressure the countries hosting America’s military bases not to cooperate with the war (which they obviously have the leverage to do since they keep selling them weapons), and it’s entirely possible that those countries would’ve refused to allow it from the beginning if they knew it’d get them in hot water with the EU and Britain. And of course there’s no way to know if an Iran not hampered by EU sanctions would’ve had better diplomatic contacts able to stop this mess from happening peacefully, or stronger proxies able to make it foolish enough that even MBS decides he’d rather not try his luck. Maybe the war would’ve happened anyway, but it could’ve not happened either and Europe decided it’d rather not even try to prevent it.

So it’s not just “Trump and Bibi’s war” now. Well that’s about all there is to say, enjoy your imperialist boomerang.

Ah, yes, there’s a whole Wikipedia article compiling my opinions on the UK’s cooperation with the Iran war.

Is that your idea of a response to what I said? Because you address exactly none of the points I actually made.

The European sanctions and nuclear deal were working.

Sure, for a grand total of two years when America allowed them to out of over forty (counting from the Iranian Revolution in 1979). Before and after that it was more American imperialism with European cooperation.

The UK just sanctioned Israel.

The UK sanctioned Israeli settlements. That’s symbolically significant, but it doesn’t cancel out their current sins (like, again, letting America use their military bases), let alone their past ones.

Accidentally deleted my reply so I’ll make this one shorter, but basically European sanctions, arms sales and diplomacy have been crucial in getting Iran into a position where its only recourse to an American attack is closing Hormuz, and that’s not to mention Britain letting America use its bases and ongoing European trade with Israel. Just about the only major country I’d consider calling less guilty (certainly not innocent) here is Spain, and all of Europe is not Spain. For a particularly egregious example, Britain is still letting America use its military bases for this war, and y’all keep capitulating to Trump (see: literally yesterday).

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That sucks, but it’s also very deserved. I’m sorry (well not particularly) but y’all had this coming on multiple levels.

Yes, but Europe in particular is highly developed, oil-poor, climatically vulnerable (having both hot summers and cold winters) and not decarbonizing as fast as it should, making it extra-vulnerable to the consequences of America’s blatant war of aggression.

Honestly you can hardly blame Trump for how he keeps doing it when it keeps working.