I agree, not all natural products are innocuous but still isn’t the point that organic IS less awful? I’m thinking especially regarding biodiversity and conditions in which the animals live (at least in France, it is the label with the strictest standards for animal “welfare”). I get that it’s not perfect but I don’t think we should wait to have the perfect system to get rid of some of the absolutely shitty parts in the current system.

Is it more expensive? To the customer yes. For real, once you include environmental benefits, health costs from cancers etc and take into account the fact that organic farmers usually receive zero help from governments (I’m considering the french case here), you realise that the price gap is not as big as you think and that a major part of it is because pesticides have made agriculture unnaturally “cheap” (i.e. with a lot of invisible costs).

I agree with @RedditIsDeddit , it does not help. It may even make things worse. All this meme does is make me feel misunderstood and despised by others (While some of them don’t even understand what I actually go through). Tobacco is a terrible addiction. I quited for two years but fell again when I broke up with my ex. During those two years I dreamt of smoking at least once a week and gained 15kg. I grew up in France in the 90s and then the country did a pretty shitty job protecting kids (I started buying cigarettes for myself at 14 and it was easy because the tobacco shop owner didn’t bat an eye). I think the solution is prevention and children’s protection (by preventing access) to ensure that they don’t start. For those who already smoke the best is kind support not guilt and disdain. (And total bans don’t help either, we just feel left out when the government who now bans us from every place and treats us like awful weak-willed bastards initially incitated us to smoke two decades ago with adds and easy access).

I would love to see a massive boycott of MacDonald everywhere (at least in the US), I am surprised that this hasn’t come up somewhere online yet. That would be powerful signal IMO