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Many are, but as far as I know, no hosting provider has ever tried something like what was claimed (which is why it made such news).

It seems like many people didn’t even verify that portion of ToS was new (checking web archive), or wait for Vultr’s response before closing their accounts.

Even after the official response, it feels like people stuck to their original assumptions and felt justified moving services?

Companies, and specifically the people in them, make mistakes. What matters is their reaction. I’m scratching my head to think what Vultr could do better in this case (other than creating a time machine to avoid the initial screw up).

Vultr posted their response to the concerns here - https://www.vultr.com/news/a-note-about-vultrs-terms-of-service/

The portion of the ToS that people were worried about had been in place for years and had nothing to do with server intellectual property. They are removing it to avoid future confusion.

I don’t disagree that it was poorly worded, but the amount of people jumping to the worst possible conclusions on this is concerning. What happened to Hanlon’s Razor?

Weird! For reference one VM I run on only has 1 GB of memory, and Netdata uses 100-200 MB. Could be something going on with UnRAID though. Definitely some sort of bug I’d think, since normally resource usage should be very low across the board.

That’s strange, I’ve run it fine on some very underpowered hardware. Are you adding a specific monitoring integration with it, or just out of the box settings?

As others stated, you can run and access the interface locally (or setup your own reverse proxy) for free. Their Cloud dashboard is also free for up to 5 nodes. They recently added a flat-rate “Homelab” plan as well, if you want to remove the limit. It’s all quite usable for $0 otherwise though!

I’m a huge fan of Netdata, very configurable and monitors just about anything you could want. Great interface and alerts too - https://www.netdata.cloud/

It was a server-side block, from Cloudflare (security rule specifically). I’m very familiar with it, having used the same service over a decade. They are able to tweak the overall security level, or specific WAF rules for the endpoint in Cloudflare. They also have analytics that will show them exactly how many cancellation requests would be blocked. The fact that they totally ignored these details in my ticket, is concerning.

Maybe, but it would also be very easy to blame on misconfiguration / mistake. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if the behavior itself isn’t purposeful, but ignoring / not fixing it is. I’ve definitely seen such behavior at other companies, where they drag their feet on fixing a bug that is bad for the user, but helping them.

On a related note… I went to cancel a membership a few weeks back, and the site displayed a message “you don’t have an active membership to cancel”. I thought it was strange, so I checked out the network requests being made, and turned out the cancel API call was getting blocked for “security reasons”. Nothing else on the site was blocked for me, just the cancellation endpoint.

I opened a ticket, and it took them nearly 2 weeks to respond, and there was zero acknowledgement on why cancellation would be blocked.

Not sure if it’s a purposeful dark pattern, but it sure seems like it!

Worth noting that this should not affect you if you are only using tunnels (no DNS entries / open ports).

Just makes me wonder if the same thing happens in other communities. Say someone posts a photo of a National Park, are there replies how they’ve hiked most of the trails at that park and decided it’s not worth visiting?

I can see both sides too, “well we are informing people about the cons of that park, so they aren’t eaten by the vicious bears!”. I get that, I do! People have an opinion they want to share, nothing really wrong with that. Does that understanding make it enjoyable for me as the person just sharing the photo? Not so much…😂

I can never tell if comments like this are a joke. Starfield has tons of issues, don’t get me wrong, but I’m still playing it because I’m having fun. Why put 80 hours into something if you aren’t enjoying it?

Personally if I’m not having fun in a game, I’d just stop after a few hours.