• Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 hours ago

    Ok maybe a very stupid question but

    The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders on Thursday announced

    Isn’t that gramatically incorrect? Shouldn’t it be “The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced on Thursday”?

    I see this kind of writing a lot in news articles so surely it’s not actually wrong, but that’s not how I was taught English writing.

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      3 hours ago

      Idk if you’re a native speaker or not, but as a native speaker of American English there is absolutely nothing wrong with this to me. You could put it in about 4 different places:

      On Thursday the press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced ____.

      The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders on Thursday announced ____.

      The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced on Thursday that ____.

      The press freedom group Reporters Without Borders announced ____ on Thursday.

      The first one typically has a comma after “Thursday”. The second one you could offset “on Thursday” with commas. The third one is at best really awkward without a “that” or a question word (who, what, where, why, how) and you could offset “on Thursday” with commas; you can also drop the “on”, in which case you can’t use commas. The last one is possible but could be ambiguous (it could be that “on Thursday” is part of their announcement).

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      It’s a bit stilted and no-one would speak like that (at least without sounding pretentious), but it’s not bad grammar.

      Also, shame on the moron that downvoted you for asking a question.

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        2 hours ago

        I really don’t see why you would think this.

        Sooooo, Carl, on Thursday, said that…

        Completely normal thing I would expect to hear.

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          1 hour ago

          To be fair, you’ve added commas which makes it a parenthetical phrase. But yeah - people do speak like this in real life; technically, I should have said no-one speaks like this in non-impromptu speech without sounding stilted.

          “Carl said on Thursday” is definitely more idiomatic (to my BrE ears, anyway) than “Carl on Thursday said”.

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            Yeah, I’ll agree, without any pauses it’s less natural and it’s more of a “buying time to think” thing.

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      2 hours ago

      Dialect variation. For me, saying “the car needs washed” sounds truly strange but millions and millions of people say it. You’re experiencing similar with this phrase.