Low hanging fruit, but whatever. It is what it is.

    • lud@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      What’s wrong with x86 all of a sudden?

      ARM is still pretty damn experimental compared to x86.

      • toastal@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        Bullshit mostly. x86 is fine & has been getting a lot more power efficient (if you can get a work day’s worth of power, you have met the benchmark). Wake me up when RISC-V is here.

    • tempest@lemmy.ca
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      3 months ago

      If you know anything about Lenovo you would know that if ARM laptops started to have high market share they would have like 35 mediocre models on offer in a year.

      Some of the think pad lines are still good but their consumer offerings and a couple of the think pad lines are trash.

    • pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io
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      3 months ago

      The refurbished thinkpads you find are usually three years old after the companies who lease them buy new ones for the users.

      You can do a lot of things with a three year old thinkpad…

      • Vuraniute@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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        3 months ago

        here it’s typically early-to-mid 2010s thinkpads being sold, so you’re probably getting a laptop with horrible performance

        • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
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          3 months ago

          4th and 6th gen intel isn’t too bad yet (which would be early 2010s), especially for a Linux desktop/laptop. I wouldn’t go older than that just because 4th and 6th gen is so readily available for so cheap, but they certainly aren’t anywhere near e-waste yet. Mid-2010s would be more like 7th-9th gen Intel which is newer than all but one of the computers in my home.

          I literally use a laptop with a mobile i7-6700 as a daily web browsing computer (and I tend to keep over a hundred tabs open) and really don’t feel any slowness. I’ve got a desktop with an i5-4590 running 5 different Minecraft servers (a couple of which have over 300 mods running) plus most of my homelab services as well. They’re not for the graveyard yet!

          • Vuraniute@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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            3 months ago

            well, the i5-5300u definitely is, at least for my use cases. it took so long to compile a diesel-actix rust project that the battery died before it finished (it was at 100%), and it can’t even run fucking Minecraft. even a raspberry pi can run Minecraft!

            • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
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              3 months ago

              it took so long to compile a diesel-actix rust project that the battery died before it finished

              Wait why are you compiling on battery?

              and it can’t even run fucking Minecraft.

              In what way? My wife plays minecraft with several hundred mods on a (desktop) i5-4560 and I have 5 Minecraft servers running on a desktop i5-4590, and I’ve played plenty of Minecraft on my laptop with a i7-6700u (vanilla, lightly modded, heavily modded, etc.) so I’m confused by what you mean by “can’t run Minecraft”

              • Vuraniute@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Wait why are you compiling on battery?

                power strip died and i hadn’t realised.

                In what way? My wife plays minecraft with several hundred mods on a (desktop) i5-4560

                different cpu. I’m talking about the i5-5300U specifically. Not some other i5 of the era. Also, this doesn’t really matter but you’re addressing 4th and 6th gen, while the i5-5300U is, obviously, 5th gen.

                • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  Yes it is a different CPU, of almost the exact same age and architecture. I don’t have a 5300u otherwise I’d be able to compare directly. I’m pointing to similar processors (remember this was about the time that Intel stagnated. They didn’t improve much from Haswell (4th gen) until about Coffee Lake, and kept continuously refreshing Skylake (6th gen) for years. By memory 5th gen was just rebadged Haswell as well) I do have that I have relevant experience with.

                  On the Minecraft front I don’t think it’s the processor, I suspect you either have a configuration issue, or a thermal budget limitation. I had a Ryzen laptop that was really good, except it did not have the thermal capacity to maintain a workload, and would throttle itself all the way down to 600Mhz if I was doing something CPU and GPU intensive for a long time (such as running a bunch of VMs and trying to browse the web while using an external monitor)

    • uis@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      You can install linux on it, you know? Everyone installs linux on thinkpads, you know?

      • shirro@aussie.zoneEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Framework have been shipping to Australia for ages. I ordered in December 2022 and it drop shipped from Taiwan to rural Australia in about a week. It was faster than ordering parts from pccasegear though that isn’t saying much.

        I have been a fan of System76 since I saw some stickers at a conference nearly two decades ago. I think they have good intentions but unfortunately a badge engineering company for most of their existence. The quality hasn’t always been there from their ODMs and foreign RMA bothers me. You can buy a clevo or tong fang from local resellers and cover it in linux stickers.

        The used market in Australia is bad for most things unfortunately.

  • Mangoholic@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    I got unbuntu on my xiaomi notebook with a nice oled screen. It worked almost immediately. Easier install then windows. I chose Ubuntu as my first linux because of lots of support.

    • Persen@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      As far as I heard, their designs are similar to macbooks, are the keyboards as terrible?

      • Mangoholic@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        I think its a preference, I prefer the keyboard over mac. But the build quality and hardware is just really good for the price.

        • Persen@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          So all the qualities of XM phones and no drawbacks, like miui and official software support? Great.

  • where_am_i@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    buy any AMD laptop, replace the wifi card, install your favorite distro and it will run like magic.

    You get a new, capable, and power-efficient device, while not bothering with damn old ThinkPads or giving insane amount of money to s76.

    • Vuraniute@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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      3 months ago

      until it gets completely fucked due to a form-over-function cooling system and hits 101C (NBLK-WAX9X)

      • stephen01king@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        3 months ago

        It works well enough if you don’t mind the occasional disconnect and slow connection to wifi, which is true for a lot of people like me. It’s still pretty annoying to deal with sometimes, just not enough to go replace the WiFi card or anything.

      • where_am_i@sh.itjust.works
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        3 months ago

        AMD laptops almost always ship with mediatek wifi cards. Cuz the alternative is intel, and I guess that’s not cool with AMD.

        But mediatek’s wifi cards are a steaming pile of bovine excrement. Bluetooth issues, wifi dropouts, drivers not being mature until a year after the release.

        Save your self the pain, buy an Intel wifi card for 20$ and upgrade it right after you bought the laptop. Might as well add RAM and storage. Takes an hour of work, 20 minutes of which is watching a YT video on how to do it.

  • vga@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    I have a Framework and it beats the shit out of every Lenovo I have ever used.

    • Vuraniute@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I was originally planning on getting a Surface Pro 11 or other ARM laptop as my next laptop, but one day I was thinking about an old CLEVO P150HM1 which tore everything apart, and outperforms my 2015 T450, while being made in 2009. Needless to say, I got a lot more tolerant of the idea of buying an X86 laptop as my new laptop. I also realised that the price range an SP11 involved also allowed for a Framework Laptop 13. I’m saying all this to not conflict with the rest of my comment history, but in summary: Long live the Framework!

  • dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org
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    3 months ago

    my recommendation: a second-hand, 16 year old acer aspire one that runs windows xp, ms-dos and the 32bit version of puppylinux…if it works it works. (yeah its just my setup)

    been working flawlessly on original hardware since 2008

    i even play games and make music on that thing