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So I assume just a minor fine and some angry words?
Each tree is probably more than $10,000+. Doing the math, they’ll probably pay a fine of about $100, give or take $100
Even if they were charged a $10b fine, that’s a miniscule percentage of their profits each year and corporations that big always look at them as operating expenses
Prime example: Verizon
Nah just some rage click farming as a distraction from telling everyone only America is this pathetic.
The “move fast, break things” shtick. They mean laws with it. Worst case, you pay a fine.
If the world was a just place they’d pay a fine and pay to have new trees planted where the old ones where removed. Anything short of that is simply the cost of doing business.
You’re not wrong, but Google didn’t just take the trees. They stripped the topsoil:
After the tech company illegally stripped the entire area to build a datacentre – taking even the top soil with it – all that remains is a vast expanse of mud indented with the trail marks of machinery, puddles and mounds of earth, roots and branches.
Wonder why. Wouldn’t have anything to do with making sure Google could not be ordered to replant the illegally felled trees, I’m sure.
So now they should be ordered to replace the topsoil, then replace all the trees, and to pay a massive fine as well.
Last week, Google’s Finland country manager, Antti Järvinen, apologised for the forest clearings but claimed the company had acted “on the best understanding we had of the legislation at the time”.
That understanding being “it’s more profitable to just do it and pay the fine”
Process the fine for each tree individually. And of course they can’t do anything with the land until the whole thing is processed.
So do something.
Yes, please. Fellow Europeans do something. It’s so easy. /s
Will only get worse from there, if no action will be taken now.
I really hope Finns will find organizers to stand up.
almost as easy as rebelling against an orange shitstain.
Fine them $1 Billion per tree, AND they have to pay to replace every single tree at its market value for it’s age.
Once that’s all done, then they can request permission to build a new data center, which will be declined. Fuck Google.
I used to work in a municipality that had a fee of $2000/caliper inch for illegally removed trees and placed a conservation easement over the critical root zone, preventing the developers from being able to just cut down the tree and pay the fee.
A bit carried away with B$/tree?
Is this the actual plan or are you just making suggestions?
250,000?! Jesus Christ
Tried that, doesn’t work on trees
I think they nailed him to a cross, not trees. Still didn’t work… but, the more you know!
nah today we worship muppet jesus
All because normies can’t take it upon themselves to do any research and change search engines and stop using google products…we gave them this power.
I hate people.
Individual action as a way to effect change or “voting with your dollar” is a myth that these large corporations benefit from. Sure, we should stop using their services, but you’re never going to convince people to individually give things up in the hundreds of millions.
You gotta force legislators into actually doing their jobs, and failing that, burn down the fucking data centers.
While I agree, its apathy and stupidity that led us to this point. Big tech would have nowhere near this much power if every single person didnt willingly hand out all of their data at every turn and use every big tech product that was advertised to them.
Big tech would have nowhere near this much power if every single person didnt willingly hand out all of their data at every turn and use every big tech product that was advertised to them.
Sure they would. They don’t need every single person, they just need a lot. Most people are apathetic and stupid, this kind of hypothetical doesn’t really get us anywhere. If your mechanism for change doesn’t work when most people are apathetic and stupid, it isn’t going to work.
I mean the issue is the stupid people. As always. The crazy thing is its never before in The history of humanity been easier to learn all there is to possibly know, and we still have dumbasses running around. Like, how.
It’s never been easier to disseminate propaganda and misinformation. Billionaires own the media companies and the digital infrastructure.
Good point. However…dont people know this and take it upon themselves to be wary of media thats owned by billionaires and Instead find independent real journalism and actual news and/or talk to actual people? No, just me ? OK then. This is why the world is on track to pure fascism.
You are wildly overestimating the media literacy of the average person.
Collective misbehavior requires collective correction.
Lol blame people while a whole government does fucking nothing but be concerned.
Well yeah but the people elected the government…but yes theyre all corrupt so it doesnt matter much.
I’m doing my part.
Even made a video to help people get away from Google search.
(TLDW: If you’re stuck using Google, switch to udm14.com. For a good commercial search alternative, use Mojeek. For a non-commercial search alternative, try Marginalia Search.)
Wonderful! Nice work!
I’ve been using DDG.
This is a nasty thing to do without proper permits and I fully support Google getting slapped for it. For a country who has practically relied on forestry for 100+ years, the native Finnish subcontractors that everyone uses for these things are surprisingly bad at doing it properly. Last year another company casually crushed over some protected freshwater pearl mussels while doing cuts – which was enviromentally speaking actually a much worse thing than what Google did this year. Nobody outside of Finland probably heard about it though, because there was no “big evil company” involved.
The final responsibility is still Google’s though, of course, but those subcontractors really should have more sense and understanding in what they’re doing.
All that said, let’s calibrate the magnitude of this disaster. They felled 300-400 hectares of commercial forest. That’s about 0.06% of the annual forest harvest in Finland.
Google getting slapped for it
Are you nuts? They deserve the guillotine. Every single one of them. Fuck them. Pieces of shit.
There should be criminal investigations over that and prosecution of Google employees or their contractors, whoever was operating in Finland (and someone had to). If that was indeed all legal, than laws need to be changed.
'See when you’re rich, they let you do it".
I read about the displaced wildlife. This is really horrific. Their government should ban Google from the country, take back their land and make them pay to reforest. Fuck Google. I was a little complacent with my Gmail but I’m done. This is just fucking awful. In this state of global warming these assholes ripped up a whole forest. Fuck them.
Each tree is priceless, and the forest is more than the sum of its parts.
Expropriate Google’s assets to make up for some of the loss.
Ban them for a year and fine them for triple what is a fair penalty.
Otherwise it’s a business expense
“When will these Fins rise up and do something? Don’t they see what is happening and they are just sitting around doing nothing. They voted for this.”
Looks to me like YOU guys voted for this, not the Fins
USA does not have jurisdiction over Finland, just sayin’
At the end of the day the rest of the world will decide who they deem responsible. Just like humanity has always done in the past. If America destroys the world, the world won’t care if half of the country was not in support of it. They’ll shun you nonetheless.
One thing US is brilliant at is shaking off responsibility for literally all crimes against humanity
Those who control the USA control other places as well
Sure do, assuming we’re talking about the billionaire Epstein class.
It’s almost like while people outside the US are watching what’s happening there and judging they’re ignoring the rise of the same in their own backyards.
Will the Finns show Americans how to appropriately respond to quashing this behavior, or will they capitulate?
Finns need the global protests to come closer than Belgium to act
You know who’s well poised to bring protests to Finland? The Finns.
They can’t get convoy again after the prices are up for drivers. Antifascist (counter-) protesting them have been comparatively better but orgs and left alliance are not activating
There he is
If you need to belittle someone online to feel better about the inaction of your country, go ahead I don’t mind. But the times in which you got to determine how the world sees you Americans, are over.
If you need to lump every American person together in a homogeneous group, go ahead I don’t mind. But it sounds like the world swallowed the same bullshit the American public has for so long. Congrats, the spell is broken for you. You sound almost sad. Did you swallow the propaganda too? You don’t seem to realize you are the butt if the joke. Now try and understand the difference between a government captured by kleptocrats and the regular folk who are overworked, under paid, and under insured. And now whoever you are on the other side of the world is blaming them for the failures of neoliberalism. A country of slobbering greedy depraved Americans coming to get you. But really you know. You know the vast majority of any country is just full of folk trying to get by. Living in a country brainwashed and captured by corporate interest, policed by officers who dress like soldiers in unmarked cars. So take your indignation back to whatever media bubble you live in. Or tell me this utopia you live in. Are you accepting immigrants?
I can see how my comment was quite confrontational and I understand that it contributed to this reply.
All I can say is that what I feel the world is learning atm is, that America always kinda was the country it is now. It just was able to present a more friendly, agreeable facade. And within understanding that lies the realisation, that the average American has always indulged in the wealth and power that came with being a hegemony in this world.
Previous generations in Europe have faced similar circumstances in the past and I guess we are just a little confused not to see the public go awall like we would expect from ourselves.
I have great sympathy for the dire circumstances you have to face if you choose to go against the system atm. But I’m also very much aware of the exact culture that led to you ending up in this situation in the first place. And yes in Europe countries are not immune to falling victim to the same issues. I guess we’ll have to continue this conversation once we are also forced to make our stance, or give up without a proper fight, like the us seems to be doing rn.
I bet their politicians allow it to happen.
The government knew this was coming when they approved the data center. This is purely theatrical outrage. Those Representatives have been bought and paid for.
