It’s not unusual to see people talking about android users being Linux users “because android is Linux too” clearly not understanding the difference between Linux the OS, i.e. GNU/Linux, and Linux the kernel. So it’s useful when you have to make such a distinction.
Alpine is also arguably not “GNU/Linux”, as it doesn’t use GNU Core Utils or glibc. But I don’t know anyone who would suggest that Alpine isn’t “proper Linux”.
There is no GNU/Linux OS; the FSF has never defined a base that demonstrates the GNU/Linux OS. All the FSF has done is loosely define guidelines that basically allows them to endorse any 100% free (libre), self-hosted, distribution that supports a 100% copy left license and does not promote in any way or auto install non-free or non-open software by default.
Unfortunately for them this means that 99.99% of the Linux distributions out there do not qualify as GNU/Linux, even the ones like Debian, Red Hat, or Ubuntu that did adopt the GNU/Linux name scheme, because they all host, promote, or allow users access to non-free software in some way.
Furthermore, here’s the real kicker, if someone decides to take one of the endorsed GNU/Linux distributions and modify it to run FISH instead of BASH, you would now have a GNU/Linux distribution that was incompatible with other GNU/Linux distributions but still identifiable as GNU/Linux.
This is why FSF and their “GNU/Linux” scheme is just a stupid R. Stallman political stunt to make his life’s pursuit relevant; the movement tries to benefit from everyone else’s work without actually accomplishing the one thing they need to do which is to actually define what packages, versions, implementations are GNU/Linux.
Ultimately what I am saying is that defining the guidelines is only half the solution; the other half is the FSF needs to define and maintain their own LSB (Linux Standard Base)
Unfortunately for them this means that 99.99% of the Linux distributions out there do not qualify as >GNU/Linux, even the ones like Debian, Red Hat, or Ubuntu that did adopt the GNU/Linux name >scheme, because they all host, promote, or allow users access to non-free software in some way.
You are totally confused. In words of R. Stallman:
“The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux”.
“Today there are many different variants of the GNU/Linux system (often called “distros”). Most of them include nonfree programs”.
It was a dependency resolution issue. Npm couldn’t install one of the packages without some package.json gymnastics, and those same gymnastics somehow fucked with our debian based images that we use for development. I can’t say much more because I honestly don’t know what exactly happened. I just diagnosed the issue and forwarded it to our resident node guru, who took it from there.
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It’s not unusual to see people talking about android users being Linux users “because android is Linux too” clearly not understanding the difference between Linux the OS, i.e. GNU/Linux, and Linux the kernel. So it’s useful when you have to make such a distinction.
Exactly. When I say I want a Linux phone all I get are Android options. What I want is a GNU/Linux phone that I can run full Linux distros on.
Alpine or PostmarketOS works for older stuff. Some others will run Ubuntu as well.
Instead of “Linux on [phone]” try using Debian/Ubuntu or one of the mobile-targeting distros as a keyword
Alpine is also arguably not “GNU/Linux”, as it doesn’t use GNU Core Utils or glibc. But I don’t know anyone who would suggest that Alpine isn’t “proper Linux”.
I’m about to step in it…
There is no GNU/Linux OS; the FSF has never defined a base that demonstrates the GNU/Linux OS. All the FSF has done is loosely define guidelines that basically allows them to endorse any 100% free (libre), self-hosted, distribution that supports a 100% copy left license and does not promote in any way or auto install non-free or non-open software by default.
Unfortunately for them this means that 99.99% of the Linux distributions out there do not qualify as GNU/Linux, even the ones like Debian, Red Hat, or Ubuntu that did adopt the GNU/Linux name scheme, because they all host, promote, or allow users access to non-free software in some way.
Furthermore, here’s the real kicker, if someone decides to take one of the endorsed GNU/Linux distributions and modify it to run FISH instead of BASH, you would now have a GNU/Linux distribution that was incompatible with other GNU/Linux distributions but still identifiable as GNU/Linux.
This is why FSF and their “GNU/Linux” scheme is just a stupid R. Stallman political stunt to make his life’s pursuit relevant; the movement tries to benefit from everyone else’s work without actually accomplishing the one thing they need to do which is to actually define what packages, versions, implementations are GNU/Linux.
Ultimately what I am saying is that defining the guidelines is only half the solution; the other half is the FSF needs to define and maintain their own LSB (Linux Standard Base)
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You are totally confused. In words of R. Stallman:
“The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux”.
“Today there are many different variants of the GNU/Linux system (often called “distros”). Most of them include nonfree programs”.
https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
You clearly didn’t understand what I said…
I recently found myself forced to give a shit, when one of our projects started doing weird shit after switching to an Alpine-based docker image.
Can you elaborate? I’m aware alpine uses non-GNU stuff like musl & busybox. But overall, they’re not too far off.
Here’s one https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65181012/does-alpine-have-known-dns-issue-within-kubernetes
It was a dependency resolution issue. Npm couldn’t install one of the packages without some package.json gymnastics, and those same gymnastics somehow fucked with our debian based images that we use for development. I can’t say much more because I honestly don’t know what exactly happened. I just diagnosed the issue and forwarded it to our resident node guru, who took it from there.