• DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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    When your purges actually violate literally every Marxist principle and sabotage the revolution, isn’t it kind of fair to accuse Bolsheviks of being fake communists?

    Stalin was a counterrevolutionary, die mad about it, we’re Menshevik posting in this bitch.

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      I don’t think the Mensheviks were the good guys either. Mensheviks would allow a way out for the old elites to remain elites if they kept on with the times (from aristocracy to bourgeoisie), the Bolsheviks just laid the way out for new elites (party apparatus) by choosing not to empower the working class. The leninist model followed somewhat similar structures everwhere from Hungary to Vietnam, and they always ended the same way: with the party elites opening the way to privatization after one or two generational changes and the heirs of the new system realizing that they’d get more material privilege by establishing capitalism, and without an organized, conscious working class capable of stop them.

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        I agree. A viable long-term economy needs an organized working class that isn’t sleepwalking through life. Would be cool to make the economic system not inherently hierarchical also.

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      Yeah continue ww1, so fucking based

      When people complaining about your side latch onto factions that they know nothing about it is kinda really funny

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        If you didn’t willingly ignore the sins of “your side” that’d be valid.

        Meanwhile, the only criticism you launch at the Mensheviks is… They wanted to keep fighting the imperial powers?

        Don’t get me wrong, it was just a bad decision, but it wasn’t, ya know, genociding fellow socialists.

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          Meanwhile, the only criticism you launch at the Mensheviks is… They wanted to keep fighting the imperial powers?

          Bwahahahaha yeah that’s why Tsarist and Kerensky Russia was aligned with France and England

          Bwahahahaha

          At some point you gotta just come to the conclusion that you haven’t read enough on this topic and pick up some books instead of speaking garbage.

          Also “the only criticism” that’s the fucking big criticism that got them overthrown, which you’d fucking know if you studied history.

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            The imperial powers that were direct threats to the revolution and they were already fighting, buddy, aka the Ottomans and the Germans. Hey, remind me how that worked out in the end? Did the People’s Government get a seat at Versailles? No? Had to fight a war against fucking Poland first and then get even more people killed by Germany later?

            And your argument is “the decision was unpopular,” not that it was wrong.

            You also find that they were not overthrown. Their political alliance was couped, like what happens in a “real democracy” when you push an unpopular policy. Even then, they supported the Bolsheviks anyways in the civil war.

            Generally speaking, it’s considered rude to murder all of your fellow socialists anyways if that happens.

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              Hey, remind me how that worked out in the end? Did the People’s Government get a seat at Versailles? No? Had to fight a war against fucking Poland first and then get even more people killed by Germany later?

              And your argument is “the decision was unpopular,” not that it was wrong.

              Wait are you out here arguing that Russia should have continue fighting ww1? Seriously? And that refusing to fight the war led to nazi Germany and their exterminationist war against the soviet union?

              Bwahahahahahaha

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                  But yes. It would have.

                  Remember this comment so you can cringe at it when you’re less ignorant :)

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                    Sure bro. I’ll stop thinking “Russia having a seat at Versailles would have changed history” because it would somehow not change history, and that’s something you can objectively prove, lol.

                    I’ll tell you what definitely wouldn’t have happened though.

                    The repeated Bolshevik genocides of Jewish people.

                    I’ll not comment on your apparent belief that Nazism was some fated historical inevitability, which sure seems like something a Nazi would believe and not a Marxist.