• military neutrality
  • outlaw extreme nationalism
  • cede Crimea and part of Donbass
  • full Russian withdrawal
  • guarantor countries (🇨🇳🇺🇸🇫🇷🇬🇧🇹🇷) obliged to intervene within 3 days if Russia invades
  • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
    2413·
    2 months ago

    cede Crimea and part of Donbass

    full Russian withdrawal

    These contradict each other.

    The whole list is “Let the invader win and blame the victim” so go fuck yourself.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
      1117·
      2 months ago

      If you can’t understand that things have gotten far worse for Ukraine in every respect in the past two years, while hundreds of thousands of people died, and millions more had their lives ruined, then kindly take your own advise. It’s incredible how libs love to moralize while the actual tangible outcome of their actions is always nightmarish. This is what happens when people become completely disengaged from reality.

      • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
        1610·
        2 months ago

        They didn’t defend themselves strongly enough when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, and Russia then invaded again. Why would letting Russia annex more land do anything other tha encourage them to finish the job they have clearly stated was fully conquering Ukraine?

        You are the one denying reality. Or shilling for Putin more likely.

      • girlfreddy@lemmy.ca
        65·
        2 months ago

        Do people not have a right to an opinion? Or are you telling us what and how we should think and believe?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
          108·
          2 months ago

          People have the right to an opinion, and I have the right to point out the obvious idiocy of that opinion. If you have an actual counterpoint to what I said, then feel free to expound on it.

        • kae@lemmy.caEnglish
          89·
          2 months ago

          Just be aware this poster is often posting pro-Russian, pro-China content. There’s value in other points of view and not being myopic, but if you pay attention to posting trends or look at their history, there is a clear bias and/or agenda.

            • kae@lemmy.caEnglish
              27·
              2 months ago

              I agree with you. Disagreement in views isn’t a comment about an individual themselves.

              That doesn’t change a pattern of posting and comments that are distinctly pro-Russian, pro-China.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
                61·
                2 months ago

                Please explain to the class why you keep trying to paint posting factual information about the state of the world nefarious.

            • kae@lemmy.caEnglish
              36·
              2 months ago

              I enjoy how this comment seems to counter what another commenter said about you.

              It’s hardly a smear to point of a bias or perspective you hold. I’m not commenting on you, your politics, or worldview. Just pointing out that others should do their own research.

              But if that is smearing in your perspective, and that makes me a ‘lib’, alright.

  • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
    83·
    2 months ago

    Seeing a lot of downvotes on this, so let just say for those who perhaps think focus is some hockus website…

    Alongside Spiegel and Stern, Focus is one of the three most widely circulated German weeklies.

    It is a well regarded German outlet.

    • taladar@sh.itjust.works
      23·
      2 months ago

      BILD is also one of the most widely circulated German media outlets, that doesn’t mean that their content isn’t full of nonsense. Circulation says nothing about bias or lack thereof or even quality of journalism.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
        61·
        2 months ago

        It’s a respected mainstream publication, if you’re implying there are quality issues with their reporting then please substantiate that.