• Custoslibera@lemmy.worldOP
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    If you can, use public transport and ride a bike.

    If you can’t, using the same private vehicle for a long time, while not ideal, is acceptable.

    Buying a brand new electric car to replace a relatively new ICE is not a great solution.

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      Buying a brand new electric car to replace a relatively new ICE is not a great solution.

      That is absolutely sound.

      However and if the cartoon said that, it would be fine

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        I stand by what I said.

        We should have less private transport regardless of if it’s electric or ICE.

        Arguably action on climate change warrants a significant reduction in car use generally to stop our extinction.

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          The problem for us country fuckers is that cars take a beating. Then you run into a lack of parts to keep a good car that’s just old going in good trim. My car is a 2007, and I’m already running into trouble with some parts. Well, that and the fact that I let my dad drive it, and he seems to attract idiot drivers that want to hit him, so even new parts won’t always fit, which is double frustrating.

          And it isn’t like we have reliable public transport as an alternative. We do have a bus line, if you don’t mind taking two hours just to get to a grocery store, standing around in southern humidity and heat, and then walking a quarter mile from the stop to the store. Which, if you’re also disabled, good luck on that last part along a crappy road with a nasty ditch. Don’t even try that in a wheelchair lol. My buddy, spider, had to get his scooter hauled out of that ditch when he tried to save gas money by using the bus.

          But, yeah, the whole idea of cars as disposable to a degree has gotta stop. They’re tools, not ego extensions.

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          I’m in London. I cycle to work and use the tube network and bus network whenever I can. I also have a private car which I use for trips where public transport or my bike is impractical. It’s a 2016 model, I expect that it may need replacing in 5 years time. If I took the cartoon at face value, I might think it makes no difference from a climate chang perspective whether I choose petrol or electric - and this is clearly wrong.

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            If I took the cartoon at face value, I might think it makes no difference from a climate chang perspective whether I choose petrol or electric - and this is clearly wrong.

            That’s ok, OP will just block you for making a valid point that doesn’t align with whatever is written on the inside of his colon.

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              you can also see that there are only a few hybrid vehicles a bit better than bev, and bev are overall ‘better’ in this diagram?

              in fact - if you filter by vehicle class you see that bev are always ‘better’ in their respective class than hybrid or ice. you can’t compare a bev suv with a midsize hybrid.

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              Do you also see the amount of carbon to the left? That isnt total. Its per mile. You cannot even read the diagram and then you claim switching to evs is bad…

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      Public transport takes 3.5 hours for my daily commute each way. Personal vehicle is 45 minutes.

      A bike is going to get you killed in numerous parts of the Country. Here the massive pick ups that have never hauled more than a sack of groceries take sharing the road with bicycles as a very personal insult.

      Depends upon the old one, (huge difference between 12-18 MPG and an EV), and what is done with the it after doesn’t it?

      I suspect you swallowed a lot of Corpo propaganda to believe the issue is the common individual’s actions.
      https://theconversation.com/the-carbon-footprint-was-co-opted-by-fossil-fuel-companies-to-shift-climate-blame-heres-how-it-can-serve-us-again-183566
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-mobils-messaging-shifted-blame-for-warming-to-consumers/
      https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220504-why-the-wrong-people-are-blamed-for-climate-change
      just a few to get your deprogramming started.

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      No doubt your logic is based on the carbon footprint of two cars - the old ice and the new BEV.

      Where that logic falls down is the old ICE becomes a more affordable efficient used car that can replace an older ICE that it blowing blue smoke. Further, new BEV become used BEV in a few years. Used BEV are becoming quite affordable and cost effective. They are also far outlasting their projected battery life.

      Finally, demand for BEV increases R&D on more efficient storage technologies that are cheaper and have a smaller environmental footprint.

      Yes, more and better public transport should be a thing. But the US is just too big - and in many cases too empty - for ubiquitous public transport to be cost or environmentally efficient.

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        I disagree strongly about the US not being suitable for public transport.

        There are large cities that could introduce effective metro services and that would be a vast improvement.

        Rural areas can remain ICE/BEV.

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          Show me one State, just a single one, where the majority of Cities have functional mass transit across the entire City which does not take five or six times what a personal vehicle going straight there takes. I’ll wait.

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      My brother in christ are you dense? No. Parking the 65 Galaxy and buying a new ev is most definitely better than driving it. 10 miles to the gallon is horrendous.

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      If you can’t, using the same private vehicle for a long time, while not ideal, is acceptable.

      The typical breakeven point for an ev (when carbon emissions saved overtake emissions produced by its production) is around 30k kilometers. That’s excluding potential downstream emissions saved by the old ice being sold second hand. I don’t think even very wealthy people are getting rid of their cars so soon.