I highly suggest starting to familiarize ourselves with federated git repos. I‘m testing forgejo atm hoping to be able to host it publicly at some point. That way, once something is out there, its pretty much everywhere.
Yeah, I get that. But I dont think that its possible to really dmca every fork of a repo on 20 countries without running out of resources at some point because when one fork is taken down, people will make 10 more. the important part is discoverability imo. Feel free to educate me in case this is missing a point.
The organization selected the European Union for their headquarters and computer infrastructure, due to members’ concerns that a software project repository hosted in the United States could be removed if a malicious actor made bad faith copyright claims under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
In June 2022 the Software Freedom Conservancy’s“Give Up Github” campaign (in response to the GitHub Copilot licensing controversy) promoted Codeberg as an alternative to GitHub.
Unfortunately using codeberg itself is kinda crap. Its not the worst thing in the world, but it still has zero discoverability , and is missing features like code search.
Federated git repos doesn’t mean that the source code will be replicated across instances. It just means you can do things like create tickets and pull requests across instances.
hmmmm… I see your point. Maybe I wasnt explaining my point clear enough. Right now, I cant see someones fork of some software if I’m on some gitlab which is not federated afaik. I should have said discoverability I guess. Does that make more sense?
I mean, not saying anyone should, because evading copyright is bad. But technically, you could run say forgejo as an onion service. Connecting git to clone from it would take some extra steps but, if hidden well it’d make it somewhat harder to take down.
When I create a fork (in the web UI) does my instance not git clone from the source instance? Not going around cloning random federated repos I can see, but…
At least not one that’s hosted in a country where the IP mafia has any power, which is unfortunately most countries excluding places like Russia or China where you probably wouldn’t want to host it anyhow due to a variety of other, uh… issues
As long as you host the checksums elsewhere so that users can verify the repo hasn’t been tampered with, you can host files in China or Russia just fine.
You can definitely care about whatever you want. Human rights aren’t the only potential issue though, but there’s things like eg. do you trust that you’ll be able to retain control of the site. So for example if you set it up in Russia and you’re not Russian, do you trust the Russian government not to pull the rug out from under your feet at some point?
Well they might, even if I you were Russian. But that’s what off-site backups are there for. It’s less likely for them to pull control than it is for a Western platform though, so still a win vs. Github.
What kind of logic is that? It is perfectly reasonable to care about human rights and totalitarianism but not for copyrights. In fact it seems a bit questionable that you would use the speeding ticket of online rule violations as an excuse to completely discard any other moral considerations.
Ultimately it’s your choice of course, but still. Questionable reasoning
The problem with this argument is that you are ruling out entire countries for the acts of corrupt governments.
Thing is there is no such thing as a clean government. Everybody has skeletons in their closet.
archive.org is cool and all, but a centralized service will never be a reliable way to truly archive something.
this repo still lives and we still have Suyu that looks promising, So, no worries atm https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src/releases/tag/EA-4176
Github probably didn’t receive a cease and desist yet, but I doubt they’ll put up a fight against Nintendo.
I highly suggest starting to familiarize ourselves with federated git repos. I‘m testing forgejo atm hoping to be able to host it publicly at some point. That way, once something is out there, its pretty much everywhere.
the issue isn’t federation or anything like that, the issue is finding a repo hosting service in a dmca resilient country
Yeah, I get that. But I dont think that its possible to really dmca every fork of a repo on 20 countries without running out of resources at some point because when one fork is taken down, people will make 10 more. the important part is discoverability imo. Feel free to educate me in case this is missing a point.
its easy enough to send angry shit to every server, dmca and whatever rights violations they can think up, and it can become an issue.
Of course, the Federation is great, but you still need an instance that’s in one of those privacy-oriented countries.
You can get chatgpt to do this. Or write a simple script.
– A wild Codeberg appeared. –
Website: Codeberg.org
Wikipedia: Codeberg e.V.
Conservancy: Give Up GitHub!
Certainly better than the U.S. in that regard but I wouldn’t consider Germany “resilient” either.
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Unfortunately using codeberg itself is kinda crap. Its not the worst thing in the world, but it still has zero discoverability , and is missing features like code search.
it does have potential though if it is resilient.
The DMCA only applies in the US. Every other country doesn’t give a shit about your DMCA request.
and yet, they still obey them…
And even EU based companies will bow down to DMCA takedown demands, if they want to serve American customers.
Federated git repos doesn’t mean that the source code will be replicated across instances. It just means you can do things like create tickets and pull requests across instances.
Not sure I understand. I should be able to fork a public repo across instances, no? Why bother otherwise?
Federation has nothing to do with that capability.
git cloneexists since the beginning of git.hmmmm… I see your point. Maybe I wasnt explaining my point clear enough. Right now, I cant see someones fork of some software if I’m on some gitlab which is not federated afaik. I should have said discoverability I guess. Does that make more sense?
I mean, not saying anyone should, because evading copyright is bad. But technically, you could run say forgejo as an onion service. Connecting git to clone from it would take some extra steps but, if hidden well it’d make it somewhat harder to take down.
When I create a fork (in the web UI) does my instance not
git clonefrom the source instance? Not going around cloning random federated repos I can see, but…At least not one that’s hosted in a country where the IP mafia has any power, which is unfortunately most countries excluding places like Russia or China where you probably wouldn’t want to host it anyhow due to a variety of other, uh… issues
As long as you host the checksums elsewhere so that users can verify the repo hasn’t been tampered with, you can host files in China or Russia just fine.
That’s assuming that the only potential issue you care about is tampering though
What else would I care for? We’re talking about piracy, so I wouldn’t turn the choice of a server location into a human rights debate.
You can definitely care about whatever you want. Human rights aren’t the only potential issue though, but there’s things like eg. do you trust that you’ll be able to retain control of the site. So for example if you set it up in Russia and you’re not Russian, do you trust the Russian government not to pull the rug out from under your feet at some point?
Well they might, even if I you were Russian. But that’s what off-site backups are there for. It’s less likely for them to pull control than it is for a Western platform though, so still a win vs. Github.
What kind of logic is that? It is perfectly reasonable to care about human rights and totalitarianism but not for copyrights. In fact it seems a bit questionable that you would use the speeding ticket of online rule violations as an excuse to completely discard any other moral considerations.
Ultimately it’s your choice of course, but still. Questionable reasoning
(I am not the person you replied to)
The problem with this argument is that you are ruling out entire countries for the acts of corrupt governments. Thing is there is no such thing as a clean government. Everybody has skeletons in their closet.
A server is an emotionless piece of hardware, regardless of where it stands. Geo-arbitration is just that, in my eyes.
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This isn’t hard. Torrent with a seed box somewhere outside of copyright enforcement is likely the best option as a “backup” source.
🤔torrent based git server, is this a thing?
I think they’re doing a damn fine job archiving something, and in reliable ways too
Til it gets taken down and dismantled. Yes.
I wonder if IPFS would help in this case…
Anti Commercial AI thingy
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Your license thingy broke since that thread where you explained your script. It doesn’t spoiler anymore.
What does it look like for you? I’m on the web client
Anti Commercial AI thingy
CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
Maybe it’s just the Boost app I’m using
Probably. Does the Boost app support spoiler in another fashion?
CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
The Eternity app does the same thing as Boost.
Nothing good is allowed to exist but in shadows. Shadow archives are essential.
Assassin’s Creed 1 & 2 were trying to tell us something.
IPFS?
A decentralized storage providing service based on blockchain technology, if I understood that correctly