I’d exchange Reddit and X. The rate at which X is going downhill right now just cannot be beaten by anything.
Twitter(/X - such a bullshit crappy name) is the Kmart of web 2.0 companies. Just a husk of what it was and in a massive free fall decline.
Agreed. I mean I never expected Elon to be smart but good god is that dude an idiot. Everyone reading this could 100% do a better job in his shoes.
If I had bought Twitter back then, I would have just done absolutely nothing and raked in the cash.
That’s assuming that his goal is to run a profitable social media company that people respect, enjoy, and that makes profit. However, he’s loaded af and can easily pay for the best consultants in the world. Considering that, I think it’s possible that he might be reaching his goals, they’re just not what we assume they are.
I’ve seen varying levels of this general idea that Musk somehow is still playing some 4d chess and the downfall of twitter is the plan, but it’s really not. Twitter was already a niche generally. I only know like 2 people IRL who were on twitter, compared to basically everyone on Facebook, for example, and you can check the stats, twitter commanded way more mindspace than it actually had.
And even if the master plan was to kill twitter - so what? This won’t stop anything. There is an argument to be made that all of the journalists and what not coalesced over there, but that’s just not going to stop happening. It’s like if someone wanted to kill instant messaging. “HA HA ICQ, this time I’ve got you!” Except, it’s not the platform that’s important, and it’s easily replaced.
Even if Elon’s plan is “let’s federate” it’s still an inane way to do it, but this seems like a more likely outcome.
Hanlon again for the win, simplest answer is he’s not nearly as smart as anyone pretends.
Yeah the thing that people are upset about reddit for with rate limited apps is something twitter did years ago. Then theres the everything else involved on twitter and its not even close.
Came here to say this. X is doing worse than Reddit.
I know lemmy hates Reddit but X is easily taking the cake here. Do you think Elon is respecting ANY of the policies around old user data? If you were EVER on Twitter, Musk is all up in your business.
I hesitate to speak for everyone… Okay, now I will. As ex-Redditors, we absolutely hate Reddit because we knew it in the past, and we also know it now. So authoritatively, fuck Reddit and fuck Spez.
(I know not everyone here came from/cares about Reddit)
I don’t hate Reddit. I love what Reddit can be.
I just can’t support support its current trajectory. If they backpedaled settle of the recent decisions I’d return tomorrow, because after spending 3 months here I’ve found zero communities with enough activity to justify leaving the “everything” feed.
Same for me.
I hate reddit, but I always hated reddit, it was always a cesspool. back in the day before the recent admin drama it was really horribly bigoted, and when lots of people jumpped ship recently, the community got real racist real fast
Does this reflect how the platform is actually doing or do we just like the circlejerk of wishing they would fail? Because everything I’ve seen says Reddit has been completely unaffected by the changes made and they’re still getting more user signups, engagements and interaction/posts than ever.
Tik Tok also seems to be growing strong.
Twitter is a genuine laughing stalk and is pulling major shit…but everyone still seems to be using it regularly.
We can take a look at the comment count on major subreddits over time. Using the top 5 most commented listed on Subreddit Stats, and then using Social Rise to see comments per day (go down to “Graph of” and click “comments”).
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/askreddit
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/AmItheAsshole
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/Starfield
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/AITAH
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/NoStupidQuestions
All except Starfield show comments cratering at the beginning of July, and they’re not coming back. Obviously, Starfield is a special case given the release of the game. AITAH was also just starting to pick up and then had its jugular cut out. Across the board, there looks to be a 3 or 4 times reduction in comment rates.
Now, perhaps the site is still OK among the more niche subreddits. That’d take a lot longer to analyze. But it’s clear the big traffic drivers are not pulling people in anymore.
While I overall agree this seems to be the case at first glance, I do notice that august there’s a huge drop that correlates with school starting up again. Probably need to compare to previous summers.
Edit: looks like it’s still pretty huge even accounting for that
The graphs there go back to 2018. There aren’t drops anywhere close to what we’re seeing.
Good to know, i was having trouble on mobile with it. Thanks!
I’m glad I left that site. They just view us all as little addicts and have lost any semblance of caring about what made reddit work in the first place.
Only a good 0.1% of reddit actually “creates content” with the rest having only engagement via comments. A good 99% of those also don’t do anything but lurk.
The people that make the content are also the ones more likely to switch to alternatives.
It’s an engagement loop so while the amount of signups and accounts is unchanged, there is simply less content to keep people around and to monetize.
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I believe that s shifting the burden of proof.
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the burden of proof lays in the eye of the beholder or whatever the quote is. i’m not a lawyer.
The burden of proof lies in the eyes of the Christian god! And as a fellow Muslim, I can say nothing about it, but He might speak through me and say that Reddit became a place without much new content.
If I’m understanding the mythos correctly, those are the same god, so you’re covered.
I don’t save sources in case of future need for references. I haven’t written a thesis on the matter. It came up in a few articles in my tech news RSS feeds. You’re welcome to not believe me and I would readily consider contrary information anyone else offers it.
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If popularity was all that mattered, McDonalds would have Michelin stars.
Reddit is driven by search traffic and the results got a lot worse since a lot of good posters quit. They lost the content but not the users yet, I think it’s just going to take a long time before they truly see the damage in their traffic statistics!
The google-Reddit search got really screwed up when the private subs numbered 7-8000. I’m curious if there have been any lingering effects.
Yeah Reddit just became more like Facebook which is disappointing, but not a dumpster fire.
Twitter is a radioactive dumpster fire that’s spawning mutant fire rats. There’s really no comparison.
I just have a hard time believing this when the_donald started on reddit. The site has been an incubator for right wing actors for years. Even the infamous Stormfront recognized the opportunities for recruitment there years ago.
No, but we are on lemmy so we obviously don’t care how well billion dollar companies are doing profit wise.
I care insofar as seeing how badly they can screw up
I feel like unity is the most likely to die. Their users are way more likely to switch to an alternative than people using reddit
Unity alternatives are also way more known than reddit or twitter alternatives
Also, anyone who wanted to leave Twitter, Reddit, or TikTok likely already have
But the alternatives aren’t as developed. Godot still isn’t great for 3D projects and Unreal is Epic and also has royalty fees like Unity tried to add.
Unreal only has a 5% fee on games that made over 1 million USD
Unity wanted to add a 0.20 USD tax for every download after you made 200K USD 200K users(which changes depending on how many downloads your game has and which plan you are using)
Units pricing method could have been easily exploited, game developers would have to pay for people pirating their games, if a free to play game reached those requirments, it could cost them more than the game made, giveaways would cost game developers money and all unity games would have to collect data
No, I’m well aware that Unity’s model is fucked up.
I’m just saying that I don’t consider Unreal a valid alternative, especially as it’s owned by Epic who have shown themselves to be far worse than anything Unity has done already, and there are no other 3D engines as good as Unity. I called out Unreal also just because people are saying that Unity shouldn’t charge any fees as they think fees are unfair, but then happily recommend Unreal.
Not saying necessarily to keep using it, I’m just saying it’s not as simple of a solution as just switching for a lot of devs.
Indies yes but the big dick billion dollar in MTX mobile market won’t shift at all.
I feel like it’s unfair to include TikTok as it had a clear headstart by being a dumpster fire since the very start.
Musical.ly certainly was a thing.
Hey, the rebrand was successful!
Nobody associates it with paedos now and their “take existing videos and put our horrid moving shitty contrasted watermark on it” starting strat worked a dream
OP, social media usage is down across the board. These platforms won’t truly die until the next cycle of growth. Autumn? Winter? Usually gaming goes up when the cold weather comes around. Perhaps we will see growth then. We ought to be making sure we make communities for each new game that comes out, if an instance creators goal is to attract a lot of people. If they prefer quality, well, keep on this course. Lemmy is amazing.
Usually gaming goes up when the cold weather comes around. Perhaps we will see growth then. We ought to be making sure we make communities for each new game that comes out, if an instance creators goal is to attract a lot of people.
Speaking of, wouldn’t that be a good time for a general games/gaming instance to spin up then to play host to those communities?
Put Unity somewhere up there for their recent debacle
They won this is a fight for the 2nd seed
what happened to unity
They tried to apply a per install fee and make it retroactive for all games using the Unity Runtime. Meaning games made with Unity even a few years ago who didn’t agree to this would be charged each time someone uninstalls and reinstalls the game.
This is the second time they have tried to make retroactive changes, by the way, and they even deleted the part of the TOS that prevented retroactive changes.
It’s really just one of many things they have done in the last few years
To list out a lot of the many things: They’ve done forced RTO which is pretty internally disliked, fired a ton of people lately, a bit ago the CEO publicly said anyone who doesn’t prioritize monetization are “the biggest fucking idiots”, they bought an ad company known for making malware, and they keep getting in bed with military contracts including Lockheed. Oh and they cancelled their example project game Gigaya which I’m still bitter over
Just a minor correction, they actually merged with Iron Source, they didn’t just buy them. That means there was a good bit of board carry over, which means Iron Source management is now making decisions at Unity.
Xitter is now enabling disinformation intentionally. Put ‘em at the top
Well, Tiktok demotes china critical accounts and promotes china friendly ones, people who tried it came to the conclusion that’s it’s roughly by the factor 10 so they aren’t even hiding it!
Reddit sucks but xitter and tiktok easily rub the floor with it!
Unity needs to be on this leaderboard.
Nah unity is the monk who pours gas over itself and sits there quietly burning to death
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Crazy how TikTok don’t even seem so bad anymore thanks to the other two completely fucking imploding.
Elons shenanigans has to be worse than spez surely
Spez just copies what daddy Musk does, so give it some time
We really need to get people to get the word out on Lemmy.
I’m on the fence on this one because on one hand, more content is always a good thing. On the other, more people will bring the attention of corporate capitalists
They already have, just take a look at the increased number of concern trolls, blatant advertisement, etc.
concern trolls
Thanks for the new term I learned today
isn’t threads just facebook trying to muscle in on the fediverse
Yeah i also completely forgot Unity. This “Worst Dumpster Fire” ladder only had 3 spots.
