The Hominidae, whose members are known as the great apes are a taxonomic family of primates that includes […] orangutan[s]; Gorilla[s …]; […] the chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, of which only modern humans (Homo sapiens) remain.
You’re right in that humans are apes taxonomically. What I was trying to contradict was the misconception according to which the type of apes we see today got somehow “frozen” evolutionary some time ago, but that some of their descendents evolved to become human.
Not to mention that the rib thing was a deliberate rewording in later translations, if memory serves it was originally “made from half of Adam” or whatever his original name was.
The “from his rib” thing was put there as a way of basically saying “from creation women were lesser.” So basically politics of the time affecting the message.
Most of the Bible was edited for political reasons. I’m sure Jesus totally told everyone to follow the law of the land and to give Caesar his taxes without a fuss
There is a History of the Byzantines podcast and it talks about the political maneuvering in the empire and church. They had political parties and each party had separate religious beliefs and that was important for how church doctrine evolved.
It’s so incredibly political it’s unbelievable. It’s like “I want to be emperor so I will agree to whatever those guys say so I can gain their political support”. And now hundreds of millions of people think that’s the word of God when really it’s the back alley dealings of Justinian.
Even non-Christian-nutjobs get this wrong, so let me spell it out: Humans didn’t evolve from apes. Humans evolved with apes from a common ancestor.
Humans are apes. We evolved from them and we are still them.
Edit: I think you mean to say chimps, not apes. We came from a common ancestor with chimpanzees. We were never chimps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape
You’re right in that humans are apes taxonomically. What I was trying to contradict was the misconception according to which the type of apes we see today got somehow “frozen” evolutionary some time ago, but that some of their descendents evolved to become human.
These pedantic Lemmy nerd fights remind me of how I learned so much on early reddit reading similar arguments.
It’s the same deal as with birds and dinosaurs. Birds didn’t evolve from dinosaurs, they are dinosaurs.
Y’all are a bunch of hyper-evolved fish, so shut the fuck up and let the superior crabs take over.
In particular humans are the apes with the largest penis size to body size ratio.
Not to mention that the rib thing was a deliberate rewording in later translations, if memory serves it was originally “made from half of Adam” or whatever his original name was.
The “from his rib” thing was put there as a way of basically saying “from creation women were lesser.” So basically politics of the time affecting the message.
I’ll have to see if I can find a source later.
Edit: Source
Most of the Bible was edited for political reasons. I’m sure Jesus totally told everyone to follow the law of the land and to give Caesar his taxes without a fuss
There is a History of the Byzantines podcast and it talks about the political maneuvering in the empire and church. They had political parties and each party had separate religious beliefs and that was important for how church doctrine evolved.
It’s so incredibly political it’s unbelievable. It’s like “I want to be emperor so I will agree to whatever those guys say so I can gain their political support”. And now hundreds of millions of people think that’s the word of God when really it’s the back alley dealings of Justinian.
Ave, true to Caesar!
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