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As.someone who only used a couple of tabs open and even then upon restart of Firefox only has one tab open, this seems like a feature I wouldn’t really use?
You are one of the blessed minimalist ones. I feel most users are drowning in tabs.
I have 1408 tabs open. I use Tab Manager Plus to make sense of it all
Can’t wait until we can use a locally running AI to search inside the tab contents and group tabs by content topic, because TMP can only search tab titles!What is the memory usage like?
Near 40gb, I’m running about 50 addons, using tons of containers and strict isolation.
You might as well close the tabs and use a search engine at that point right? I honestly dont understand the workflow here
But I found the content … I don’t want to have to search again. Also google is becoming terribler by the day And I want to search that stuff locally, in my browser, I want to search the content of the tabs from my browser. From a single tab and only the subset of my tabs, not the whole internet.
It’s like having your books on the table, open on the right page. And putting them back on the shelves, and then searching for which books to search. When we have a functionally infinite lenght table (well, about 2000 active tabs is about the limit for my 64gb system)
It’s like having your books open, with a mark in the book for the page. A book mark, if you will
Maybe that’s good enough for 1996, but that doesn’t do it for me.
I want all those tabs, and all their content, in ram, and disable auto-discard. If the memory overflows it should write it to my pcie5 m.2 ssd not discard.
And that’s just a stop-gap measure, because I want this data in my GPU’s VRAM part of a locally running open source text generative AI’s context, so I can ask it questions about it.
I want to tell it, “take all my open tabs that relate to “HF radio” put them in their own window, open a new ownnotes and write an essay about the current status of my DIY amplifier project and then create a new check list of the design elements I still need to create”
So, bookmarks, with the broken search that won’t let you search just one folder, no categorization, no visual preview, it doesn’t even save the content and just assumes the content will still be available at a later date, it’s too cloudbrained.
I think this is totally reasonable, and a very forward thinking imagining of what the future of the internet could be like. I just thought that the analogy you made in the previous comment was a good one to like fun at.
I like the idea of being able to run elasticsearch/whatever on a local copy of the full text of all of your bookmarks.
If it’s at the point you need a tab manager, surely you could just use bookmarks.
Makes sense. Clearly a popular feature.
Please allow me to not use this. I switched to FF mobile because Chrome forced groups on their users and left no way to turn them off.
Fucking took them long enough
Let me search the multi selecy and select all in bookmarks. Let memove and muktinselect tabs in incognito.
Firefox isnvery behind in their app devlopment.
Are you… slurring your words?
I switched keyboard apps and everything is slightly different. Including the time the key you select stays on screen and spaces between keys.
Privacy came at a price.
I’ve been using Ungoogled Chromium at work just for the tab grouping. I’ll gladly use Firefox 100% if this is as good.
Finally. Now my thousands of tabs will be hidden behind hundreds of tabs groups!
JUST WHAT I WANTED!
This is unironically the truth.
I really don’t understand people who don’t close tabs. I start with a fresh browser window multiple times per day.
A handy to when it comes to closing tabs: mouse wheel down anywhere on the tab label closed the tab, no need to find the little ‘x’.
Related: mouse wheel down on a link opens that link in a new tab.
We start with a fresh browser window multiple times per day too. Except we also have multiple other windows of tabs minimized already.
This guy gets it.
This reminds me that I once “accidentally” closed about half of those windows - each ~200 tabs - of my then GF. Took her over a month to notice. Tells you all about how useful tab hoarding actually is.
I have one tab per email account. A few for github issues I’m waiting to be fixed. One which is some random search I just use as reminder. None of which I have closed in months. I literally have a script to boot them up on my second monitor everytime I boot my pc.
I don’t have enough time in the day or week or month or year to do everything I want to, so I keep my tabs open until I chip away at them one at a time. It takes a long time, but it doesn’t mean that the tabs aren’t useful to me and won’t remain useful months later.
That’s me with YouTube videos, sometimes I would see a video on recommended that interests me but don’t have time to watch it immediately, I have to open it on a new tab otherwise I would never find it again. Sometimes it takes me days to find the time to watch it.
You can add interested videos to playlist “Watch later” and it will available on all devices with your account
I very rarely visit that page. I actually have videos there saved from years ago.
I don’t log in to YT to watch any videos, I alao use Newpipe and Stube sans account. Grouping them in Tabs to get to is great for me.
I only have this behavior on mobile. Idk why
Why not just bookmark the tabs? Put them in a folder in your bookmark bar called “To Do” or something and they’d all be right there.
Cuz then I’ll have thousands of bookmarks like I already have now
Here’s the fun part - I already do that. Bookmarks are for ultra-long-term links (1-2+ years minimum), tabs are for short-to-long term links (1 day to 1 year).
You might still need those tabs though. You probably don’t, but you might.
You’re right, I don’t. And since browsers come with this really neat feature called “history”, it’s not like I couldn’t trivially re-open them again as needed.
Yeah but you might forget that you need those tabs. Maaaybe they weren’t that important then, but maybe they are.
I think that “weren’t that important” indeed hints at how I keep/toss stuff IRL, too.
I toss a lot of shit. I don’t keep stuff around for that one hypothetical use case that might crop up in 5 years. Most stuff sells surprisingly well second-hand, and this frees up a lot of money I had otherwise lying around doing fuck all for me.
It’s far easier to have your history cluttered than you might think, and then finding the sites that you need or might need becomes harder.
Exactly. Whereas my 1000+ semi-ordered tabs are way less cluttered.
For real, I already have different groups for tabs, they’re called windows.
But now I will be able to have tabs within groups within windows within desktops!
Fascinating.What about tabs within groups within windows within profiles within desktops?
This is the part I absolutely don’t get about this. Plus windows create a better visual boundary for the context-switch tab groups are supposed to be as you minimize one and restore another.
Why not just use windows? 🤷 I sure hope they keep the implementation of this simple and end up just doing that for the user. Create new tab group -> color-coded new window opens up, gently nudging the user towards how simple the solution to their problem actually is.
Tab groups in chrome are something I dearly miss from chrome. It’s super convenient for grouping projects and quickly switching between them. Multiple windows is a worse experience: there’s no preview favicon or anything to indicate what a window is actually for until you hover over it. With a tab I can see at a glance what something is before I switch.
Every instance of the same program eats memory
See for yourself, it has almost 3,000 votes now. 👇
lol… some features requests on Android have many more votes and are being ignored by Google… like ad-hoc Wi-Fi
What’s Ad-Hoc WiFi?
it’s direct WiFi connections between clients (no router involved)
But Android has far more users than FF.
This is exciting - after the demise of Panorama I used Quicksavers Tab Groups plugin, then when that died I moved to Simple Tab Groups, which to me is a good enough clone of Panorama. But something more modern would be super nice.
Just use Tree Style Tab
I’m away from my PC so I can’t name it but there’s another plugin similar to Tree Style Tabs. The creator claims that TST takes up a lot of resources. I do notice Firefox taking a lot of CPU/mem but that’s probably my fault. I’ve tried both and either works well.
Might be talking about Sidebery. I like them both and switch back and forth
It’s interesting, but it wastes to much of the screen.
Found the 4:3 fan.
True, sadly I’m unable to stop using tree style tabs after getting accustomed to it years ago. It’s one of those rabbit holes I’m unable to climb out of, similar to modern keyboard layouts.
Don’t be sad. I’d say you’re doing it right! Vertical space is much more limited than horizontal on 21st century monitors, and tabs are wide, not tall. Tree tab UI enables semantic layout (showing you practically unlimited levels of nesting), plus they always give you consistent room to read page titles. Why should the usability of tabs decrease as you open more of them?
The vertical tab bar is still there though as it’s apparently not removable? 😞
This is absolutely not a replacement for the tab group experience Chrome and Edge offer
Absolutely this, there isn’t anything currently from what I’ve found that gives the easy experience that Chrome/Edge has.
Only thing that I’ve been missing when I moved from Edge, apart from PWA support.
Yeah honestly all the other solutions are just copium. Chrome tab groups are exactly what a tab group should be. It’s simple and useful. That’s all I need, all I want.
powertabs will give you vertical, grouping, search, sorting, and some rules behaviour
Does it mimic the functionality of chrome group tabs perfectly?
I would say its superior. You can create and add tabs to groups. expand and collapse them. make rules for certain sites to auto open in a group you made. sort based on url or name or last used. rename them. move the groups around visually. I do use it with the vertical tab view and tend to ignore the top bar though so it may depend on your usage.
It seems a bit too much like glorified bookmarks to me. I’m glad you find it useful though :)
I feel Sidebery is a more polished spiritual successor to TST.
tried them, they suck.
So we’re just going to enable these people with tab hoarding issues?
I have my Firefox browser set to clear history, cookie and site data on exit. I never use probably more than 15 at a time. More than 10 is very rare. I don’t get people that keep dozens of tabs open. I just you know browse back to what i was looking for. Seems much faster than searching through tons of tabs.
Good for you, but that’s not how most people use their main browser?!
Finally, someone who uses their browser like me! I keep my Firefox the same, and with containers, I still stay logged in, but don’t have to worry about cookies being left over.
Like you, I’ve never understood how people can handle having 10+ tabs open at once. I have my YouTube tab always up and ready to go, and the rest of the time it is a tab to search, open the link in new tab, and so on and so on. It gives me anxiety looking at the mess that some people have on their browsers! It’s the equivalent of having your entire desktop filled with shortcuts and folders!
Don’t get me wrong, I know more than my normal 5 tabs can be needed at times, I’ll put my own reasons below. But every single day? Closing the browser and having it load more than 5-10 tabs again every single time? No wonder people complain about Firefox being slow, their browsing habits cause it! 😂
The most tabs I’ve ever had open was only to download multiple mods off of nexus that looked cool back before they made Collections a god send. Now I don’t have to do that any more. 😁
Wow, thanks. Yeah, I was surprised to see the comments saying the way we browse is abnormal lol… Maybe it’s just how our brain works but I know for me, I am hyper focused on what I am doing in that moment and my thoughts are always shifting but keeping my browser only with what I am actively using is just something I’ve always done. For example, right now this is the only tab I have open. :). I need to utilize containers more… Really, what I want is something that would open containers automatically for specified sites and not have to choose manually to open in.
Cheers and thanks for the comment.
@LucidNightmare @mynamesnotrick When I read about different browsers and they spend half the article talking about tab groups and tab islands and tab this and tab that, my eyes glaze over. I do not understand how it’s that big a deal. Maybe I’m not a “power user.”
How do you remember to go back to it if you don’t keep it open?
Bookmarks
Because it’s important enough to go back to
… memory?
Where can one learn this power?
just download more ram bro
I have my Firefox browser set to clear history, cookie and site data on exit.
Might as well just have your whole PC set to reset to a naked installation on each reboot, tbh.
Multiple projects that each spawn ten plus tabs. Why in the hell would i want to “remember” some obscure stack overflow link when i can use simple tab groups to keep it there?
And bookmarking something so temporary is also wasteful. Tab groups are a lifesaver IMO.
Grouping tabs just naturally fits so many computer workflows though. I’m often working on multiple things at a time and tab groups help me keep it all organized.
Yeah of course, but that’s why all browsers - AFAIK - allow you to open new windows not just new tabs. This naturally groups tabs into contexts. In other words, this very feature is implemented already.
But in a new window i don’t have the 10-20 pinned tabs that I jump to very often, having tab groups helps in this regard.
Tree Style Tabs user checking in. It’s not hoarding when you are organized.
Do this or not people are still going to hoard. Grouping also makes closing easier.
about time! hoping for built-in vertical tabs some time soon as well 👀
YESSSSSSSSSSSS
Finally!
Ok. Just let me know when it’s available I guess?
Chrome’s only had this for like four years
