awesome, so no innocent people will get hurt
If they are willing to defend facism and defend a dictator…then what’s the problem?
At some point your “I’m just doing my job” becomes, “I support an American dictatorship.”. Do you not have morals? Your “job” has now become antithetical to the American Democratic Ethos - you are now a de facto traitor to your country. Last I checked, traitors are an enemy of the state.
…so again, what’s the problem?
American Democratic Ethos
Not sure which slaveholders or Manifest Destiny folks you’re putting on a pedestal, but even if—big if—America’s dead once had admirable and pro-humanity values, today’s terrified, uneducated, unhappy, unkind, impoverished shithole does not.
Being an awful person appears to reflect perfectly these last generations of the American Empire.
then they came for the civilians. And I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a civilian.
Yeah Thomas Mann’s poem is still relevant and more people need to read it and understand it.
If you “only follow commands”, you are still implicated in every action. If you are a cop you are literally one of the checks in the system of checks and balances.
stop, I can only get so erect
Leftists with guns: this is fine
Of course this is what it means. The people who wrote down this existing right had done the same to their equivalents. It’s not a fantasy.
Yeah no shit buddy. It’s come to that point. I like you Pete, but don’t bury your head in the sand on this one. American soldiers defend fascism.
I like you Pete
Why, though? He’s a Neoliberal proponent of Reaganomics Lite and McKinsey grad (but I repeat myself) who keeps failing upwards.
2018 was a different time
No it wasn’t. Hell, it was even 2 years into the first Trump term.
Do you think he would say anything different now?
I think his audience has shifted
In what ways?
What has Pete done to make you believe he is going after an audience that would disagree with this statement and/or that he would now disagree with this statement?
Your initial comment was that “2018 was a different time” I’m trying to understand what you think has changed so drastically since then.
I think a lot of people stopped listening to the rad libs like Maddow and became disaffected from the Democrats since then. those folks are (at least around me) engaging in more radical acts of resistance than the marching-and-shouting that dominated the public actions of that time. so while buttegieg probably hasn’t shifted much, and might think he’s still talking to those same people, many of them are no longer listening.
No, we knew it was fascism then too.
Nah, every time pete pops up it’s something stupid that makes me like him less and less.
They’re talking about how this tweet is from 2018. Different situation then.
Maybe because he would be a fairly normal right wing figure in another country?
It seems to be the only cure for fascism, sadly.
What’s disgusting? Union busting.
Something something kill or be killed
Is that even happening? Considered US police and various letter agencies are basically at the level of open warfare against the population i would imagine population of such a liberty loving country would fight back…
Do you expect individuals to go up to their local government and let loose? What do you think the result of that would be?
That’s not how resistance movements work and never has been.
You must build first. Read history.
I’m calling up Americans and their relation to government. They are not the courageous liberty loving individuals they claim they are, there is plenty of gun violence in USA but very little if any is against the government and for their liberties despite it becing cited as the main reason of what is otherwise just a gun fetishism.
Point is: liberalism sucks and is unable to organise anyone for anything.
Well Americans aren’t a monolith and as I said, individuals taking action against a government achieves nothing. Do you believe America has achieved a mass leftist movement capable of overthrowing the govt?
Unless you are in China, Cuba, Vietnam, or NK you really don’t have a valid platform to criticize a people not overthrowing their government, have you partaken in the overthrow of your government/do you agree with your government?
Considering the OP is mocking a “leftist” liberal advocating the disarmament of the people. Do you think OP/most people agreeing with OP here are right wing liberals or ollectivist leftists? It seems to me you are advocating for liberal individualism or from a similar liberal view unless I’m drastically misunderstanding something.
unless I’m drastically misunderstanding something.
Yes, you managed. Down with liberalism, down with America.
Yeah, Americans love to fantasise about their beloved 2nd amendment (regardless of political persuasion), but they have never ever used it for what they (falsely) claim it was intended for.
Yeah that not exactly true though. You ever heard ofthe Battle of Blair Mountain and the Cole Wars?
Democrats will happily disarm everyone and hand the keys to the nation to the Republicans. The recent exhaltation of David Hogg in the party is proof. Not even January 6th 2021 will change their minds, they will never stop their anti gun crusade.
The justice system is not meant to protect us as we can all plainly see. We are on our own.
Democrats will happily disarm everyone and hand the keys to the nation to the Republicans.
Even today when the Republicans are years-deep into proving that all the worst things we’ve ever suspected about them and their motives are true (and more) folks are still more worried D wants to come take their guns away.
R is literally dismantling our government and trampling the rights of an ever-growing segment of our population, on a speed run to authoritarianism, but folks are still yelling about that tired bogeyman instead of using the 2A as they have always claimed they can’t wait to do.
You will scream about how Dems want your guns all the way up until the brownshirts show up to take them. The fuck is wrong with some of you?
Nobody defended the Republicans, in fact the premise of the comment you are replying to is about how bad the Republicans are and how they need to be resisted.
How do you plan on resisting once you’ve been disarmed? Just vote out fascism? …Yeah that’s always worked.
The only reason you would want to be disarmed, is so that you have an excuse for your passivity.
Nobody defended the Republicans,
I didn’t suggest they did.
How do you plan on resisting once you’ve been disarmed? Just vote out fascism? …Yeah that’s always worked.
You seem to be arguing against a point I haven’t made.
The only reason you would want to be disarmed, is so that you have an excuse for your passivity.
You seem to be arguing against a point I haven’t made.
But you are really committed to fearing that decades old bogeyman more than the wolf at your door it seems.
There is no gap differences between the managerial class of the American empire, they are in solidarity against you.
That doesn’t change my point whatsoever, even if I agreed with your characterization of the parties, which I do not.
For all those reasons you named, are exactly the reasons I don’t want Dems curtailing the right to keep and bear arms.
Notice ICE focusing on low gun ownership regions?
Yeah if dems dropped gun I expect more wins but you know dnc. They dont want guns cause they already keep trying to shoot its own limbs off as it is.
The DNC is bought and paid for by oligarchs. Almost all of the richest US billionaires lean Democrat. Musk is an anomaly, and look how he’s been targeted. I’m not saying it’s entirely unmerited.
So of course the oligarchs want the working class disarmed. And they don’t want populist candidates who want to improve people’s lives and cut into profits which is why the Democrats haven’t had a real primary in awhile.
The oligarchs also fund republicans hoping to control them the same way, but Trump got elected anyway. You might actually hate him 20% less if the bought corporate media hadn’t been weaponized against him. A lot of his positions were Democrat positions twenty years ago. Hillary had some crazy “deport the illegals” quotes back in the day.
Really wish I could say you are wrong but here we are.
Why are we punching a strawman made out of a 7 year old tweet? Get something more current of his to spit on.
Not even getting into how this can more squarely be aimed at conservatives who profess to love the cops and love the troops, but love the 2nd just as much. The article specifically about defending yourself from troops and cops.
The democrats are conservatives.
It does represent the dichotomy of Democrats complaining about 2a when they are in control but people realizing its importance when the repression they commit abroad comes home.
I think it represents a timely reminder that we now know those who scream the loudest about the 2A, and how we can’t do a damn thing about gun violence because it would erode their freedoms, have no interest in using it the way they’ve always proclaimed they must, as long as the right people are being hurt.
And I’m not actually anti-2A so much as I am anti-a-particular-sort-of-gun-enthusiast.
I’m not keen on the 2A, based on it’s original purpose and use. I am, however, pro “Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered, and any attempts to do should be frustrated, by force, if necessary.”
I am not arguing in any way for disarmament. But the fact that’s all anyone seems to think I’m saying is kind of proving my point.
Nah, I was only replying to the part about you not being a 2a supporter, showing you dont have to be, in order to support an armed working class 😀
He’s right, you know. If you own an AR you shouldn’t slack on practice. Go to the gun range regularly. Train how to clean and maintain it. You may one day be facing people who are well trained.
At the end of the day it’s almost always tactics and physical readiness and not weapons systems. You can buy an apprentice the very best carpentry tools, but they aren’t going to turn out anything amazing unless they practice in repetition.
Exactly. Above all real world combat experience cannot be trained. Nobody can predict how you react when under fire, at least that was my impression in Charikar province, Afghanistan in ca. 2004. Knowing the basics will definitely be helpful though.
Yep, it’s a blend of instinct, experience, and preparedness. Only one of those is something you have any control over. Better max that one out.
To answer Pete Buttigeg:
That’s the point!
You know those Russian soldiers dropped their weapons during the October revolution.
If American soldoers are wise, they’d do the same.Or is Pete trying to tell everyone to be more like Benjamin Netanyahu when buying a gun?
The “don’t step on me” people who talk about the right to bear arms often celebrate the police and the military
Well that sounds like more people need to bear arms.
Your terms are acceptable.
