I would still take blocking progress to the left over concentration camps every time
So yeah, if you think bith sides are the same, then I guess it doesnt matter who won. We probably would be here with tarrifs and camps and a dictatorship, but just with Harris.
I would still take blocking progress to the left over concentration camps every time
You had concentration camps under Biden.
Nobody’s debating this. What are you going on about.
Which part?
The part about both sides? Well if both sides arent the same then maybe we should do harm reduction, which is a term I tend to hear more so in leftist spaces, and go with the dems.
Decades of mindless “harm reduction” got you where you are.
Well if marginalized communities are the cause of our own downfall then I guess you can sleep soundly knowing you did what you could to save us.
I didn’t realise I was talking to the incarnate avatar of “marginalised community”. Are Palestinians included in your metaphysical essence?
Are the Ukrainians included in yours?
Least incoherent shitlib
So you only care about them. Got it.
Funny how yall claim to be against the genocide but youre very vocal about not caring about us as we keep saying the shit we go through is happening. But its cool, because you only heard jt from me and never listen to the communities as a whole, so you can ignore the rest.
I just think its swell that leftist is now cisgender heternormative and white.
I just think its swell that leftist is now cisgender heternormative and white.
So were you summoned in a ritual of some kind, Mr avatar, or do you form out of the aether? I’m curious how the entire collective will of all members of marginalised groups became merged in one obnoxious .world poster.
You still haven’t revealed if Palestinians are part of your collective hive Mind, but I’m getting the feeling they aren’t
The concentration camps were there and expanded under Biden. The parties are not different on this, even if the Democrat-leaning media like to highlight it when Republicans are in office and minimize it when Democrats are in office.
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It will probably get through as me and my friends are in camps thinking that at least this would have happened with Harris anyways. Im sure she was all about getting rid of due process and shipping citizens to El Salvador.
But its cool. You guys are gonna have that revolution any day now. I hear theres all sorts of plans already.
Edit: In fact, lets just go back to the image
Dems block going left
Repubs ratchet to the right
So when the republicans dont have power, do the dems do it for them? I mean I know they dont do enough to stop them. No disagreements. But if we never elected a republican in office again, and they never had either of the 3 branches, and they didnt control any state, we would still be going right.
Im not asking would they still block us going left
But do you think we would stop progressing as a country?
Cause going through hundreds of years, theres actual quite a few things we actually have progressed with. Like look at us in the queer community. When I was graduating high school in 08, I thought we were still so much further out from same sex marriage. And then once people focused on trans people, I thought we were still even further out from the dems helping them.
But yet over time they did move forward. Dont Ask Dont Tell was still dog shit. But it was something. Then it became queer people were allowed in. Period.
So even just in my life and my community I have seen progress. Its slow. It is. Its painfully slow. But its progress
So if we never had republicans in power we would suddenly stop that? Am I wrong about my community slowly becoming more and more accepted over the decades?
Or does me just knowing my communities history and celebrating where we have gotten make me a liberal?
It will probably get through as me and my friends are in camps thinking that at least this would have happened with Harris anyways.
It would have, just not to you and your friends, which is all you care about.
Actually my community, the black community, Jewish people, Native Americans. All of us turned out for Harris. We also voted to try and stop the republicans from rounding Hispanic people as well.
Its amazing how Im hearing that I only care about my community when its yall telling the marginalized communities we are wrong. That we are all the liberals who are to blame for all of this.
All of you? I didn’t realise that minority groups were one undifferentiated mass and not individuals. I’m glad that you, the spokesperson for blacks, Jews, and native Americans, has set me straight.
Its amazing how Im hearing that I only care about my community when its yall telling the marginalized communities we are wrong.
Your daily reminder that blueMAGA liberals don’t consider Palestinians human.
If you look at marginalized communities and ignore us because “Well not all agree”, when shit like 82% do, then just say you dont want to listen to us. And you try to call me out for speaking for those other communities while also saying theyre shit libs and dont listen to them either.
Once again proving my point.
And this is why communities are about to become more insular. Cause if yall hate us, then fuck it. Do it. Im just glad that this last year has finally shown that all this talk about supporting minorities hasn’t meant shit. And I can guarantee you I have heard more than enough people saying that same things.
So were you summoned in a ritual of some kind, Mr avatar, or do you form out of the aether? I’m curious how the entire collective will of all members of marginalized groups became merged in one obnoxious .world poster.
You still haven’t revealed if Palestinians are part of your collective hive Mind, but I’m getting the feeling they aren’t
Literally admitting to wanting to keep or create concentration camps (as long as it doesn’t affect you or your friends)… you and the other Team Blue libs are fucking neo-nazi psychos…
“Why do people call us Blue MAGA? We only want border cages and genocide when it’s our team doing it!”
Or
Here me out
Its more like a trolly problem
But the difference is the one is going to die
You didnt stop it by not voting
We arent going to stop Israel either way
But
On one side you have more death.
“You only care about your community.”
Im not Hispanic. I voted to try to keep this from happening to them.
Im not black. Theyre gonna ramp up slavery. I voted to at least help stop the Republicans from doing that
Women are going to due even more fron lack of Healthcare. Its not going to be states anymore. Its going to be federal.
Im not on Medicare or medicade. If those go, thats millions more…
Food stamps. People are gonna starve
Social Security. When people are too old to work but can’t afford rent, even more deaths
Farmers. Did you know that the last time Trump was president and they had to bail out farmers with our tax dollars, that money mostly went to corporate farms who then used that money to buy the land from farmers who were losing their farms and that this leads to hundreds if not thousands of farmers commiting suicide?
Do I love the democrats? No. Despite the no true Scotsman arguments, I dont like capitalism. Im pretty fucking against it.
But its amazing how many people are telling me Im only for my group. All of these groups are even more fucked than before.
Harm. Reduction.
I dont like meth or heroine. Ive seen the damage it does to people. Ive lost friends to it. But I also realize that just making it illegal has done nothing. Instead we need to take steps to help whole get off it. We need to do things like legalize it.
“So you love it!”
No. You legalize it, but then you also get places for people to get help. You dont just lock them up in prison and then set them free years later.
Voting isnt the only step. Its one step. Its harm reduction. It took me 1 out of 1,461 days to vote. That still leaves 1,460 days to do anything and everything else.
If dems stop progress but they arent the ones ratcheting, then a good step is to get rid of the ones ratcheting.
Its not the final step. Its a step.
You reduce the harm being done as you work for the final goal
But sure. Lets say I only care about my community and I votes to help only save us
That means you dont.
You dont care about any of these groups.
Wait, let me guess: youre gonna help save them in the revolution
After millions are dead
Are you getting prepared? Have you been practicing at the range? Are you in a militia? Are you ready to kill? Cause the 4th reich is here. Theres not really many other options. Especially if they make protesting illegal like the Republicans said. Trump said hes going after home grown next. You go to a protest in another year and you will likely be in the camps.
Or is the revolution like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ where we just hear about it? Cause if you wont even try to just slow it down with 1 day, then how can I trust you with the rest?
When you see us begging people to vote to help save all of us and you talk shit, how am I supposed to beleive you wont talk shit as we get rounded up?
Its hard to fight for Palestine when I have to worry about the fact that my trans brothers and sisters are losing their passports, meaning they wont even be able to leave the country.
Im not Hispanic. Im not black.
That’s interesting, given that you were declaring yourself the universal spokesman of marginalized groups elsewhere.
We arent going to stop Israel either way
I’m going to have to stop reading from here, I skimmed through 5 times anyways and couldn’t get any semblance of a coherent point. Clearly you don’t actually care about the marginalized groups you speak of, otherwise you would’ve understood why nobody takes your Western “democracy” seriously, you just continue to come off as the “I can’t be a genocide-loving Islamophobe, I have an Arab friend” type (or similar).
No amount of pearl clutching will wash away your depravity.
The person your replying to didn’t say anything like that. Your just ranting for no fucking reason.
Was the first sentence of the person I’m replying to not enlightening enough, or does someone have to hand you the explanation on a silver platter?
We get it. Everyone you don’t like is a nazi.
Both sides aren’t the same.
Republicans are much better at getting things done and winning elections.
I try to remind people that we have no “Leftist” party or even a “Centre left” party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.
From an outsider’s perspective it seems like the Democrats behave like that because the US electorate is genuinely right-wing and need pandered to.
This fact doesn’t really invalidate the initial statement though.
We would not be experiencing what we are currently experiencing presently if the Dems won. This isn’t an endorsement of the Dems, just reality
I view voting as a means to steer us to possibilities. Revolution and change won’t come through the ballot box but who gets voted in can influence that one way or another.
This is a bit of an oversimplification. Actually, the Democrats deliberately run a weak campaign while Russian botfarms tell the left not to vote for the Democrats. And that’s how movement to the left is prevented.
Classic BlueAnon Russiagate conspiracy theory.
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
Fuck it, I’m gonna blame foreigners even more!
Rupert Murdoch is responsible for most of the fascist propaganda.
Benjamin Netanyahu has been corrupting the Democrats and helped lose the election for them.
Elon Musk is destroying the country, in a bad way.
Adolf Hitler inspired MAGA to be as awful as they are.
White people should never have invaded Turtle Island, that’s the cause of all America’s problems today.
Rupert Murdoch and Elon Musk are both American citizens. I see that blueMAGA has reached the same point as their red counterparts in thinking that even naturalised citizens are foreigners.
But yes, anything to avoid accepting Americas problems could have domestic origins.
blueMAGA doesn’t exist
It’s here in this very thread
Democrat partisans are not comparable to the MAGA movement
Why? They’ve basically adopted most of the MAGA movements ideology, just with the parties switched and a different foreign scapegoat.
Different colors, different presentation, same fucking ideology.
Were Elon and Rupert accepted by the tribal governments of the regions where they live? Or were they “naturalised” by the fascist occupiers whose authority you’re legitimising?
Oh, you literally are saying naturalised citizens are foreigners.
You must be a big fan of Trump’s deportations.
No, I don’t think fascists who take over the government should be deported. I think they should be executed. What’s with your soft stance on Nazi billionaires?
Oh ok, so you think Trump doesn’t go far enough and that he should be executing naturalised citizens for being foreign.
Here is the education that you need to take over the Democratic Party:
David Hogg, the new Vice Chair of the DNC, has allocated $20M to primary out the old, and replace them with youthful progressives to create a true opposition party.
Democratic primaries only see ~20% turnout in congressional elections. 30/50 states have partisan primaries, meaning you must be registered as a Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary. This was a contributing factor in Bernie’s 2016 loss.
Rather than progressives and leftists fracturing over third-parties, we need to all block vote progressives into the Democratic Party through primaries and replace the deadwood centrists that have been content with the status quo.
Check your state’s primary type here: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state
This was a contributing factor in Bernie’s 2016 loss.
I am from the Bronx. I was a registered democrat my entire life. Somehow when my wife and I went to vote in 2016, after making sure we were registered, we were turned away from the polls because “we weren’t registered”
2 years later I started receiving the letters and was suddenly registered again.
The reason Bernie lost in 2016 is your fucking party threw us off the rolls because of who we are and where we lived. Your fucking party stole that election. You are full of shit and it is you that is a fascist enabler by making an excuse for corruption.
It’s not my party. I’ve been left of the Democrats since the 90s. It’s the party that more closely aligns with my values between the only two that can win a US Presidential Election.
I believe you, and I’m sure you’re not the only one with that problem. I didn’t say it was the reason Bernie lost, because I’m fully aware of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary’s collusion, but it was a contributing factor.
I volunteered to direct foot traffic for the general election, and chatted up several other volunteers about the disappointing results of the primary. They told me that they couldn’t believe how many registered independents and no party affiliation voters they had to turn away. Apparently partisan primary requirements aren’t common knowledge, so I’m sharing this information to prevent other people from having the same experience.
What you described is a big issue. I feel it shows just how much there needs to be a push for change nationally and within each of the states to lobby the Democratic Party for change. Some states have open primaries, some have closed, and others have semi-open primaries. It makes no sense for states to not just be semi-open or fully open for primaries, as closed primaries just further alienates the party from potential voters.
It’s not my party
It’s enough your party that you’re willing to do genocide denial for them
As someone that voted Bernie in 2016, we didn’t have the votes in 2016 for Bernie to make it through the primary. The country itself was not as progressive in 2016 as it is now imo, especially so for the Democratic base.
For Bernie to have even had a chance to win the primary, the election format would have needed to not be First Past the Post. He was a victim of vote splitting found in First Past the Post and then establishment Dems allocated their voters votes to go towards Hillary. I don’t think it was fair what happened to Bernie especially with the DNC, but I realize now it was a flaw of the system itself that makes it extremely difficult for a progressive to win a Democratic presidential primary. I think it makes zero sense why people can’t pick their favorite candidate(s) first and then pick backup ‘safe’ candidates for elections. Also there is the issue of some states excluding people not registered with a party from voting in the primary. I feel it is a bad move to prevent these voters at the primary level since non-affiliated voters are usually the ones that ultimately decide the elections and they can give input ahead of time if they would vote for that candidate in the general election.
Having ranked robin voting, STAR voting, or score voting would help prevent a popular candidate like Bernie from losing by default to a ‘safe’ establishment pick.
David Hogg
Be unarmed if you wish, but don’t choose for other people how they defend themselves.
The Democrats will not defend us, the justice system will not defend us. We are on our own.
Lol, and this was the establishment Democrat response:
Hilarious that Carville claimed progressives have purity tests in the same breath
Yup. Carville wants to preserve the “schism” between progressives and liberals. That’s how you know it’s the right move. We need to shift back the Overton window.
“Both sides bad” is why we have Trump.
Democrats took America from gays are illegal, to full gay rights with marriage. Environmental laws have been all Democrats. If Democrats did nothing, Trump wouldn’t have signed 76 executive orders reversing Biden orders on his very first day.
that was a very different party than current dnc. today’s dnc is controlled two faced lobbyists pimps like schumer and pelosi, who will have trump win again and again than see aoc being a possibility.
in today’s dnc someone like al gore or obama will be suffocated out of primaries like bernie. heck schumer would probably have obama killed to keep dnc pro-israeli.
i will be surprised if aoc is not pushed out of the party by 28.
Schumer and Pelosi don’t control the DNC.
actually, your candidate running a dogshit campaign and telling everyone to the left of them to fuck off is why we have trump. we warned this would happen, too. anyone with a memory span longer than a pet goldfish remembers all of this.
The Democrats didn’t do shit for gay marriage. That was the Supreme Court.
Also, Nixon created the EPA.
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I 100% agree with you but I’d also like to point out that the EPA was made by nixon in the 70s. theyve done some good stuff too, just less
Democrats took America from gays are illegal, to full gay rights with marriage.
Gay marriage was legalized at the federal level by a conservative-leaning Supreme Court. The only time a Democrat acted on same-sex marriage nationally was when Bill Clinton banned it by signing DOMA in 1996.
Environmental laws have been all Democrats.
Nixon created the EPA.
If Democrats did nothing, Trump wouldn’t have signed 76 executive orders reversing Biden orders on his very first day.
If Democrats passed legislation, Biden’s achievements couldn’t be undone through executive order.
The parties are not the same, especially now that one of them is openly fascist, but you’re giving Democrats credit for things they did not do. Also, the meme doesn’t say they’re the same, it describes the rachet effect, which is an accurate representation of how Democrats behaved on multiple issues. Look at how their economic policies have changed over the last 30 years, or how their views on immigration policies have changed since Trump was elected.
Is there a political community you found on lemmy that understands how this works, like you do. I see way too many Democrat apologists on these popular communities.
Not on .world. I’ve noticed .world is more of a neoliberal, mostly pro-capitalism instance in general.
Note, I’m talking more about the moderation rather than members.
Okay. I don’t understand all the different instances yet. I got instructions from someone on how to navigate it but haven’t sat down to try.
Basically all you need to know is every instance has their own admins with their own rules, and often times you will see instances who are focused on a particular group of people, like my instance, for instance, which is for hardcore computer geeks, but where everyone is welcome regardless of whether or not they are even into computers.
I also like my instance because they explicitly choose to not defederate with any instance. I can choose what to block myself, which is how I prefer it.
There are also instances like db0’s (former /r/piracy moderator) for example, which focus more on individual freedoms/anarchist philosophy.
I started off on .world for a month until I found my instance.
Well, .world has a lot of users who understand this, but the loudest voices (who are often times moderators) are definitely Democrat apologists. Then again, some of the other instances, like .ml, have the opposite problem, and are full-blown tankie/authoritarian apologists, so it’s kind of a, “pick your poison, damned if you do, damned if you don’t,” situation.
I miss Reddit. R. I. P.
Eh, I saw a lot of the same shit on Reddit. I think you’d have to go back at least 7 or 8 years to find a version of Reddit that wasn’t trash.
Nah. I had my feed highly curated to active and sane subs within my interests. It was too good to be true.
Your list supporting Republicans means you must support Trump. right?
I mean you can’t have it both ways. Nixon created the EPA, Nixon was Republican, therefore Republican policy is to put the environment first. That’s what you are arguing.
That is absolutely not what I’m saying. I’m correcting objectively false claims you’re making; environmental laws were not all Democrats, the Democrats did not do anything at the federal level to pass, “full gay rights with marriage,” and the meme and OP did not say, “both sides bad.” Those points are a statement of fact, not an argument.
If you have to go back 50 years to find an example of when Republicans were good for the environment, you proved my point.
It’s no different than, “Republicans are the party of Lincoln!”
First reply: “Giving Nixon credit for the EPA means you support Republicans and therefore Trump.”
Second reply: “NIxon was so long ago he doesn’t count.”
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim pointing out a good thing Nixon did means I support modern Republicans while also claiming Nixon happened so long ago that he’s not connected to modern Republicans.
It’s also just factually wrong to say, “it was so long ago, its like saying they’re the anti-slavery party.” Nixon represents the turning point for the Republican party, where they abandoned their support for Civil Rights and embraced the Southern Strategy. He’s basically the turning point for where the Republicans became the party we know today. He’s the reason it’s bullshit to point out Republicans are the party of Lincoln.
It’s also just factually wrong to say, “it was so long ago, its like saying they’re the anti-slavery party.” Nixon represents the turning point for the Republican party, where they abandoned their support for Civil Rights and embraced the Southern Strategy.
Those two sentences are in exact conflict with each other. You say “it’s too long ago when Republicans were different” isn’t a valid argument." Then in the very next sentence you say, “it was long ago when Republicans were completely different.”
WTF?
You say “it’s too long ago when Republicans were different” isn’t a valid argument.
He didn’t say that. You did.
He pointed out your hypocrisy when you said that stating the fact that Nixon created the EPA must mean he’s a Republican (and a MAGAt one at that), but then turned heel and said that any politicians from 50 years ago don’t matter (likely because the political landscape then is not the same as the political landscape now, which is reasonably true - he makes this same point by saying 1860 Republicans are not the same as 1960 Republicans or 2025 Republicans).
You stated he’s a Republican, then dissolved your own claim by saying support for past Republicans doesn’t matter. You’ve closed your own logic loop.
No, dude…just…no. You tried to claim that saying, “a Republican founded the EPA,” and, “Republicans ended slavery,” were the same, even though there was a century of history between those events. More importantly, Nixon is exactly the person you don’t want to make that argument about, since Nixon is the very person who pivoted the party towards its modern strategy of using the politics of racial aggrievement to get working-class whites to vote against their self-interests. Going back to the Civil War, or even the early Civil Rights era, things get ideologically murky, but you can draw a straight line between Trump and Nixon.
The Democrats passed a law saying that any marriage in any state must be respected in any other state. Marriage is a state issue, so unless they’re going to put it in the constitution, that’s the best they can do. Same with what you are claiming with the EPA: Nixon certainly did not fucking pass it. He vetoed it, it went back to committee and then came back up and passed the House by a vote of 366 to 11 and the Senate, unanimously, with 74 Senators voting yes and then he vetoed it again and Congress had to override the veto.
If you’re talking about the Respect for Marriage Act, that was passed a decade after the Supreme Court established gay marriage as the law of the land. The overturning of Roe made Democrats decide that they should codify gay marriage, since they saw how badly failing to codify abortion rights turned out. It also reopens the door for Civil Unions and passed with large Republican support, so I wouldn’t exactly call it a huge win for Democrats.
As for the EPA, I’m not sure what you’re talking about, but you are absolutely incorrect. Nixon proposed the EPA and NOAA through executive order, and it was later ratified by Congress. It’s possible you’re referencing some sort of dispute Nixon had with Congress on how they intended to create the EPA, but he absolutely supported it; it was his idea.
Why can’t stating facts just be that: stating facts.
Instead, people have to insert imaginations of their interlocutor’s position so they can try to dish an “own” before asking them for clarification first.
And we wonder why discourse is broken in today’s age
If I said Republicans generally support racist policies, a reply could be the fact that Lincoln freed the slaves and was a Republican.
Stating facts like that isn’t neutral. It’s the scientific equivalent of picking out one data point from an entire study to argue against a conclusion.
What a stupid comment
id like to remind you biden was a conservative running concentration camps for latinos at the border.
Things have been getting worse my entire life regardless of who has been in charge. It gets worse more slowly under the dems, but it still gets worse.
Why is it too much to ask for things to get even a little better?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/democrat-republican-elect-primary-1.6497911
It’s apparently all part of a Democratic strategy aiming to help those seen as extremist Republican candidates to secure their Republican party’s nomination. (Which Mastriano did win.)
The hope for Democrats is that those extreme Republican candidates would be much easier for Democrats to beat in the November general election. But the strategy has raised some concerns about effectiveness and whether it could have unintended consequences.
https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
The memo named Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz, and Ben Carson as wanted candidates. “We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously,” the memo noted.
No “vote blue no matter who” and not demanding actual representation is how we got Trump. People got duped by a con becuase they have never seen the real thing, so anything different can look appealing to the uncritical.
Never let perfect be the enemy of good or some shit.
I love how liberals bleat this because it implies genocide is good.
No it does not. It means do something to move the needle instead of sitting on the sidelines bitching about everything while doing fuck all. I know you guys are great at mental gymnastics but that’s a stretch even by the standard on .ml
Care to explain why people are stuck on the sidelines without a viable political party to represent their interests?
LOL no it isn’t, Trump or someone like him was an inevitability because US elections are fixed and the people who have actual power in your society, Corporate board members, want fascism.
Truth there. I’m from a dark blue area yet city government here couldn’t act any different than if I lived in a dark red state. In some ways I actually think they are worse. All they have to do is put D next to their name & the voters will support them regardless of their actions.
Correct. Not to mention the midterm congressional elections that only see ~20% turnout, and even less in the congressional primaries. People love to complain about term limits and appeasement centrists, but they don’t show up when they actually have a say in who represents them.
Socially left on some issues and economically right on all issues isn’t left.
Accepting gays is definitely the same as funding sex change for prisoners and sending them to a female prison, which was one of the most successful ads in history.
No, the DNC is why we have trump. It’s on them.
Obama wasn’t perfect at all, but his platform was at least change and progress. While he was originally against gay marriage he did listen to the public and change for re-election. If the DNC listened to the public instead of fighting against progress that would be great. But like… Biden was the throw away to conservatives for Obama’s VP to “balance out” Obama being progressive….And now he was their best idea on what to do for a better future? It’s pathetic, and demonstrates the above.
No one is trying to say Biden was worse than trump. They’re saying the DNC is what even allowed trump to exist, by being greedy fucks who care more about their handlers than the American people and running the worst candidates they can. “Nothing will fundamentally change” is the dumbest, most “fuck you don’t bother to vote for me” fucking campaign I’ve ever heard.
Its fine let them keep losing. I honestly don’t care anymore. At some point progressives like Bernie, AOC, etc. will finally wake up & realize they don’t need Democrats to win. You want to see people passionate about voting again then it is time to leave the establishment behind. Anyone remember Bernie’s crowds in 2016? It was obvious he was may more popular than Clinton having to pay Beyonce & Jay Z for people to show up at her events.
They absolutely, 1000% need Democrats to win. Maybe not their respective districts, but if they want to get anything done on a national level, they need about half the country on their side, and that includes Democrats.
Now, they can certainly eat the party whole, the way the tea party and MAGA ate the GOP. That involves being more specific than “Democrats bad”. In fact, how did they do it? Did you ever see them telling people to abandon the Republican party?
I understand where you’re coming from, but Democrats need progressives to win. If they leave Democrats, it will be Democrats that will follow them, not the other way around. I don’t think trying to emulate MAGA is such a great idea. I know there are lessons that can be learned there, but I am still confident that a new party with popular progressives & populist policies would do more than trying to change a broken party from within.
It’s always easier to completely rewrite code from scratch than to make small modifications to an existing project.
No one is trying to say Biden was worse than trump.
The meme is Biden did nothing. It’s proveably false. Trump himself proved it by criticizing Biden at inauguration and immediately undoing Biden’s orders.
If it was that easy to undo what biden did, then practically he did nothing.
Much of what Trump has “undone” wasn’t undone legally. Many of the things he did requires congress to rollback and other things are caught up in courts. But in the mean time they happened so it will be potentially unable to be put back even if it is ordered so.
So, again, practically meaningless distinction. Until democrats are willing to use the same tools they leave available to republicans, the democrats are ineffective.
Thing is, they don’t have the same opportunities. The one reason why trump has been able to push things through in this shitty manner, is because the Republicans have stacked the Supreme Court (because the holes from people dying got filled while Republicans were in power) and they have majority control of Congress.
When judges die while democrats have power, they nominate milquetoast compromise judges while republicans just go full far-right crazy. Democrats don’t fight to block the crazy republican judges nor do they even fight to get their own judges in. A great example is when Obama nominated Merrick Garland, an already lame pick, as a “compromise”. The republicans insisted on waiting until the 2016 election concluded and the next president was sworn in and the democrats didn’t fight back at all. Then as some dumb form of symbolism, they make Merrick Garland the Attorney General during Biden’s term and Garland proceeds to not prosecute Trump for four years. That should tell you how great he would’ve been as a supreme court judge.
So even if democrats do get a judge in, it’s a compromised “centrist”. How do you think the court will end up when one side packs in far-right wackos and the other side puts in moderate right-wing losers? Seems pretty clear what the direction would be even if democrats won every election until the end of time.
So why wasn’t Biden stacking SCOTUS?
Decades of lesser evil voting is why you have Trump
Spoken like a Weimar
Democrats didn’t flip on gay rights until Obama, and the Supreme Court did marriage equality. (Yes better than Republicans) Democratic leadership is already trying to send trans people under the bus to try to save face with the Republicans. Both sides are bad! We need to demand more from the democrats and force them to support the working class and to never back down when talking about human rights. Right now. The Democratic party is nothing more than an enabler of our abusive and coercive government/economic systems that allows lessor evils to even exist.
Democrats didn’t flip on gay rights until Obama
And Obama didn’t flip on gay marriage until the end of his first term. Biden came out in favor of it, which forced Obama’s hand, but it wound up being the right move; it energized the base when enthusiasm was starting to wane. Then, under Obama’s leadership, they continued to do nothing to establish gay marriage at the federal level.
“But he said something vaguely positive, that’s exactly like legal enforcement of their rights!”
Bought a lot of European stock during the trump crash so…
THANK YOU COMMUNISTS FOR NOT VOTING 😁😁😁😁
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You had a choice OP
- Vote to maintain a bad status quo
- Vote to make things a billion times worse via fascism
- Start a revolution
Instead you chose secret option d. Make ‘both sides equally bad’ memes to justify the acceptance of fascism.
Always vote against the fascist. Or revolt.
The economic system in the US guarantees fascism, the rules are made up and votes are don’t matter.
I didn’t vote because I’m not American. They should revolt that is the only answer.
I think the Democratic Party is more to blame for running a Status Quo candidate when there’s so much dissatisfaction with the state of things. When people are angry, the guy who blows up the system is more appealing than the person trying to maintain it. You gotta actually promise to overhaul things, that’s how Obama won.
All 3 points are wrong. 1 There is no status quo, they have demonstrably both gone further right. Which brings me to 2 2 There is only fascism and fascism-light. Genocide Joe also built the wall, deported massively more people:
Bombed civilians in Yemen and displaced half a million people there for his genocidal proxy.
And many mor scummy thing.
3 They will never have a revolution, only placate Trump and move even further to the right to win back some votes.
And people will take it, americans are pacified and harmless, some lame protests are not ‘revolution’.
Gullible AF as shown by the massive upvotes you get from the many libs here.
They will all be hearded back into the status quo sytem by Bernie or AOC the new sheepdog puppy in training to prevent revolution or a valid 3rd party.Sad that even a non-american as yourself, not confined to thinking inside the box can be this wrong.
The other side of the uniparty thinks like you and is refusing to admit their wrongs, how bad do you have to be to not be an alternative to fascists? All of them get what they deserve.Vote to make things a billion times worse
Your daily reminder that blueMAGA liberals don’t consider Palestinians human
(I’m also curious how they determined op is an American eligible voter in a swing state)
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You supported a genocide.
I wanted to not be genocided
So did you.
Lol. The absolute state of BlueMAGA; reduced to “no, u!”
Really? You’re assuming of course that I’m am American citizen, which I’m not, or didn’t attend numerous protests to support Palestinians in the country I do live in, which I did.
The whole world is not the USA.
Start a revolution
Why do people keep smugly citing this as the third option when there are a million better options before outright rebellion?
As if any rights or liberties we’ve won as a working class have ever come from anything other than violent opposition and disruption.
What a shit show. (Not an American, btw)
I wonder, how many “both sides” Americans who didn’t vote (or voted third party) expected Democrats to win anyway. This way they could feel smug for not “voting for genocide” while still getting the clearly better option.
Now they have to pretend they didn’t fuck up and act as if having a “protect the status quo” democrat wouldn’t have been any better.
That’s right, everybody knows that the left and the right are perfectly equally bad, and the act of voting to stop the bleeding and starting a revolution are mutually exclusive /s
And then after years of this nonsense, people wonder how the poor voter turnout that got the fascist elected happened.
Neoconservatism ruled the last 40 years but it’s not even a “conservative” doctrine. It’s a bipartisan Zionist foreign policy. Trump is a knee jerk response to Dems alienating people with centrist social opinions, Republicans shipping jobs overseas and both of them sustaining pointless forever wars.
This is probably the most simplistic, and dumb take you could have posted without actually simping for Trump.
Your on .ml and the the post was from vegantheoryclub… so tankies all around and tons of lies and hypocrisy.
I just saw that it was memes. I thought I had the .ml instance blovked.
Complains about things being simplistic, proceeds to judge things based on what instance they’re from
There’s a highly upvoted comment where a dude says Nixon created the EPA.
Nixon: Who vetoed the Clean Water Act twice, just happened to be president when a democratic Congress overrode his veto to create the EPA, and yet, .ml drinks the lie down. That’s why people judge the instance.
Ah, so you only dislike it when other people are simplistic.
How is lying simplistic?
Oh, so you were lying when you complained about .ml being simplistic?
This is why revolution and working class orgsnization is necessary.
Blue MAGA: Its always never the time for criticism.
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." - mlk jr
The absolute highest priority in American politics should be getting rid of the 2 party system. I’m not going to pretend to know how exactly, but I think a good step in the right direction would be some form of a ranked voting system.
