This is probably the most simplistic, and dumb take you could have posted without actually simping for Trump.
Your on .ml and the the post was from vegantheoryclub… so tankies all around and tons of lies and hypocrisy.
I just saw that it was memes. I thought I had the .ml instance blovked.
Complains about things being simplistic, proceeds to judge things based on what instance they’re from
There’s a highly upvoted comment where a dude says Nixon created the EPA.
Nixon: Who vetoed the Clean Water Act twice, just happened to be president when a democratic Congress overrode his veto to create the EPA, and yet, .ml drinks the lie down. That’s why people judge the instance.
Ah, so you only dislike it when other people are simplistic.
How is lying simplistic?
Oh, so you were lying when you complained about .ml being simplistic?
The Democrats suck but there’s a huge difference between voting for boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Don’t make me tap the chart.
I mean… I’m not in love with the idea of “blocking movement to the left”, but I sure as fuck would take that over the freespin to the right we are on for now. Like, I get that Dem’s need to step their game way the fuck up because you don’t win elections by being the “second worst choice”… but still. If we didn’t want accelerated fascism…
Up until the moment we have enough confirmed support for a progressive movement, status quo is a hell of a lot better than accelerated fascism; if only to buy more time to build the aforementioned progressive support. I’m all for actual leftward movement, but gambling on unconfirmed support is stupid. Even the liberals understand that, in their sports-team monkey brain.
The left has no plan sufficient to deal with this. I hear vague rumblings about strikes and revolutions and the power of the working class united, but the working class isn’t united yet. There is no organized, validated plan to effect that revolution. There’s no leftist Project 2025. That’s a natural consequence of the commendable independence of leftists, but it has the unfortunate consequence of being tactically untenable. The right uniform under the banner of their dictator, the left squabbles about trivialities.
It’s not that I wish it to be so; I would vastly prefer the left to have a functional plan to secure power. But it is the reality; I see neither such a lab, nor the necessary organization to implement such a plan. That’s why we vote lesser evil. We strive for the stationary phase of the ratchet to avoid the freewheeling phase, because we don’t yet have the organized strength to break the pawl from its housing.
Once we have that organized strength, and not sooner, we can break the pawl. Sooner, and the ratchet spins freely to the right.
And how’s that working out for you?
A bunch of shortsighted cosplayers with no sense of praxis or political literacy protested the do-nothing Dems and we got the freewheeling fascism MAGAs. How’s that working out for you? How’s the glorious revolution coming?
So it’s not working then?
But I assume you’re going to keep doing it anyway. All while continuing to accuse other people of being short sited with no sense of praxis.
Flagrant hypocrisy! This was your plan, not mine. How’s it working? Did a third party win? Did we end the genocide in Gaza yet? Don’t equate your plan’s failure with our recognition that it failed. You gambled, and this is what we get. Own it, maybe learn something about implementation.
Yup, looks like I was correct; you are going to keep doing it anyway, while desperately projecting your own failure onto others.
Keep up the “I’m rubber you’re glue” act buddy, it’s age appropriate. I wanted Trump to lose, you wanted Harris to lose. You got your wish, this is on you. Or keep blaming everyone else who tried to warn you that it was a stupid idea, how dare they point out the glaring flaws in your strategy. Let’s see if that makes a leftist plan materialize.
You didn’t have a choice, the economic system in the US concentrates power in the hand of people with money and they are fascists. If it wasn’t 2024 it would be 2028 after 4 years of congressional stalling. The path the US is on is predetermined, they don’t have to fix every election to the vote, they fix a percentage of them over the course of decades to push the policy to the right.
You’re not wrong. But if I had cancer, and a doctor gave me a way to delay the inevitable, I would take it. Maybe it can’t be fixed, maybe it’s totally fubar. But I don’t have it in me to just give up and willingly let people suffer without a fight.
But I don’t have it in me to just give up and willingly let people suffer without a fight.
Unless those people are Palestinian, then fuck 'em.
I get why you are pissed off, and have every right to be. How both parties of the American government have treated the Palestinian genocide is beyond reprehensible, immoral, inhumane, and frankly disgusting. And that is only a small slice of the harm caused by the US across the globe. All of which I condemn wholeheartedly.
But Trump is actively making it harder for anyone to help slow, stop, or otherwise prevent additional unnecessary death and suffering. So while yes, the genocide would have continued under the Dems, there may yet have been innocent lives that could have been saved that will now be lost. When faced with saving 1 out of a 100, or 0, I believe that 1 life is worth saving. I even have the audacity to hope we could have saved more than just 1 out of 100.
I don’t intend to give up on anyone, but I also have to accept that my power is limited. So doing what I can to prevent the genocide from accelerating, in the hopes that it gives even one more child a chance to escape, is worth it to me. Maybe it isn’t the best strategy, but it is the best I could do with my time and ability to affect change to the best of my knowledge. I certainly would have preferred if the US electorate had united to solve these problems long ago, and we could have used our collective force for unambiguous good, but when even my parents won’t listen to me on the changes I think the country needs to make, steering the entire country in the right direction is beyond me at this point. Despite that fact, I still can’t just bury my head in the sand and say “sorry Palestinian child, I could have done everything in my power, kicking and screaming, to give you a snowballs chance in hell. But instead I felt it was more important to give up to the feelings of despair”.
I get that a lot of folks, yourself included I assume(?), believe that abstaining from voting or voting 3rd party would send a strong message that we will not be complicit in the countries support of a genocidal regime. And I can see why that would be your strategy, maybe in 100+ years that kind of strategy would actually amount to more saved lives, I can’t say for sure. But what I do know is that in the short term, our collective inability to keep Trump out of office has made many things worse for many people, minority groups most of all, and has made sure that the Palestinian genocide has only accelerated with the enthusiastic support of the US government under the Trump administration.
But with all that said, I hope that you haven’t given up either, and are with me in doing the best you can to help anyone you can to the best of your abilities.
and has made sure that the Palestinian genocide has only accelerated with the enthusiastic support of the US government under the Trump administration.
No, he hasn’t. The genocide was every bit as “accelerated” and the supporting of the US government every bit as enthusiastic under the Democrats, and you only think otherwise because liberals were engaging in mass genocide denial and apologia when it was their team doing it. In this sense, Trump has been better for Palestine, because at least now liberals are actually acknowledging what’s happening.
This also torpedoes the “lesser evil” argument for me, because how can I trust people to vote lesser evil when they won’t be honest with themselves about the evil the democrats were doing?
This is a bit of an oversimplification. Actually, the Democrats deliberately run a weak campaign while Russian botfarms tell the left not to vote for the Democrats. And that’s how movement to the left is prevented.
Classic BlueAnon Russiagate conspiracy theory.
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
- Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
- Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
- Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
Fuck it, I’m gonna blame foreigners even more!
Rupert Murdoch is responsible for most of the fascist propaganda.
Benjamin Netanyahu has been corrupting the Democrats and helped lose the election for them.
Elon Musk is destroying the country, in a bad way.
Adolf Hitler inspired MAGA to be as awful as they are.
White people should never have invaded Turtle Island, that’s the cause of all America’s problems today.
Rupert Murdoch and Elon Musk are both American citizens. I see that blueMAGA has reached the same point as their red counterparts in thinking that even naturalised citizens are foreigners.
But yes, anything to avoid accepting Americas problems could have domestic origins.
blueMAGA doesn’t exist
It’s here in this very thread
Democrat partisans are not comparable to the MAGA movement
Why? They’ve basically adopted most of the MAGA movements ideology, just with the parties switched and a different foreign scapegoat.
Different colors, different presentation, same fucking ideology.
Were Elon and Rupert accepted by the tribal governments of the regions where they live? Or were they “naturalised” by the fascist occupiers whose authority you’re legitimising?
Oh, you literally are saying naturalised citizens are foreigners.
You must be a big fan of Trump’s deportations.
No, I don’t think fascists who take over the government should be deported. I think they should be executed. What’s with your soft stance on Nazi billionaires?
Oh ok, so you think Trump doesn’t go far enough and that he should be executing naturalised citizens for being foreign.
Democrats spent their entire life understanding what FPTP is and their entire political understanding hangs on explaining it to other people any time Democrats get criticized.
Primaries exist. Show up and vote for the boring elections too.
I do, I just vote null.
Been doing that ever since I could vote.
It isn’t helping.
You fool. This is social media where the loudest ignorant voice wins. You should agree with the clowns and farm the upvotes like on Reddit.
Did you already forget how they literally cheated Bernie Sanders out of the primaries?
It’s so fucking wild what liberals will simply refuse to acknowledge happened back in 2020. And it could easily be argued that 2024 was even more blatantly and flagrantly the result of corrupt backroom dealings, as a sitting President was deposed following a poor debate performance, to be replaced unilaterally by party insiders.
https://theintercept.com/2020/02/04/iowa-caucus-app-shadow-acronym/
“ACRONYM is an investor in several for-profit companies across the progressive media and technology sectors,” Tharp said. “One of those independent, for-profit companies is Shadow, Inc, which also has other private investors.”
David Plouffe, a former campaign manager to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential bid who joined Acronym’s board, also distanced himself from the company during an MSNBC panel last night. “I have no knowledge of Shadow,” said Plouffe. “It was news to me.”
But previous statements and internal Acronym documents suggest that the two companies, which share office space in Denver, Colorado, are deeply intertwined.
Last year, McGowan, a co-founder of Acronym, wrote on Twitter that she was “so excited to announce @anotheracronym has acquired Groundbase,” a firm that included “their incredible team led by [Gerard Niemira] + are launching Shadow, a new tech company to build smarter infrastructure for campaigns.” McGowan also noted that “With Shadow, we’re building a new model incentivized by adoption over growth.” The acquisition was announced in mid-January of last year.
In an interview on a related podcast last month, McGowan described Niemira as “the CEO of Shadow, which is the technology company that Acronym is the sole investor in now.”
What’s more, internal documents from Acronym show a close relationship with Shadow. An internal organizational chart shows digital strategy firm Lockwood Strategy, FWIW Media, and Shadow as part of a unified structure, with Acronym staff involved in the trio’s operations.
In an all-staff email sent last Friday, an official with Lockwood Strategy reminded team members about “COOL THINGS HAPPENING AROUND ACRONYM.” The list included bullets points such as, “The Iowa caucus is on Monday, and the Shadow team is hard at work,” and “Shadow is working on scaling up VAN integration with Shadow Messaging for some Iowa caucus clients.” (VAN refers to the widely used Democratic voter file technology firm.) Acronym staffers also attended the Shadow staff retreat.
A person with knowledge of the company’s culture, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal, shared communications showing that top officials at the company regularly expressed hostility to Sen. Bernie Sanders’s supporters. McGowan is married to Michael Halle, a senior strategist with the Buttigieg campaign. There is no evidence any preference of candidates had any effect on the coding issue that is stalling the Iowa results.
And what were the consequences? They all re-won their primaries.
The consequences seem to have been the democrats have swung further to the right than Ronald Regan and every leftist doesn’t even get a chance to run in that party and the same democratic party sues and uses legal maneuvering to remove all other parties like from the ballots.
Their consequences. Voters don’t vote for somebody else other than the geriatrics that thinks everything is peachy.
And what’s this lawsuit BS. The Green Party somehow still exists as Republican lite.
You live in an alternate reality
They did not all re-win their primaries. See Bernie Sanders, Cory Bush, and Jamal Bowman. And you can’t win a primary when the DNC undemocratically cancels it, as it did last year.
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Democrats would rather lose to a Republican, to a conservative, to a fascist, to Trump, than address the material conditions of the American people.
Despite what people say online, there are elections every two years. Those centrists in Congress that everyone complains about? Yup. Two year terms in the House. You should be voting twice every two years for national elections alone.
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I would still take blocking progress to the left over concentration camps every time
So yeah, if you think bith sides are the same, then I guess it doesnt matter who won. We probably would be here with tarrifs and camps and a dictatorship, but just with Harris.
I would still take blocking progress to the left over concentration camps every time
You had concentration camps under Biden.
Nobody’s debating this. What are you going on about.
Which part?
The part about both sides? Well if both sides arent the same then maybe we should do harm reduction, which is a term I tend to hear more so in leftist spaces, and go with the dems.
Decades of mindless “harm reduction” got you where you are.
Well if marginalized communities are the cause of our own downfall then I guess you can sleep soundly knowing you did what you could to save us.
I didn’t realise I was talking to the incarnate avatar of “marginalised community”. Are Palestinians included in your metaphysical essence?
Are the Ukrainians included in yours?
Least incoherent shitlib
So you only care about them. Got it.
Funny how yall claim to be against the genocide but youre very vocal about not caring about us as we keep saying the shit we go through is happening. But its cool, because you only heard jt from me and never listen to the communities as a whole, so you can ignore the rest.
I just think its swell that leftist is now cisgender heternormative and white.
I just think its swell that leftist is now cisgender heternormative and white.
So were you summoned in a ritual of some kind, Mr avatar, or do you form out of the aether? I’m curious how the entire collective will of all members of marginalised groups became merged in one obnoxious .world poster.
You still haven’t revealed if Palestinians are part of your collective hive Mind, but I’m getting the feeling they aren’t
The concentration camps were there and expanded under Biden. The parties are not different on this, even if the Democrat-leaning media like to highlight it when Republicans are in office and minimize it when Democrats are in office.
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It will probably get through as me and my friends are in camps thinking that at least this would have happened with Harris anyways. Im sure she was all about getting rid of due process and shipping citizens to El Salvador.
But its cool. You guys are gonna have that revolution any day now. I hear theres all sorts of plans already.
Edit: In fact, lets just go back to the image
Dems block going left
Repubs ratchet to the right
So when the republicans dont have power, do the dems do it for them? I mean I know they dont do enough to stop them. No disagreements. But if we never elected a republican in office again, and they never had either of the 3 branches, and they didnt control any state, we would still be going right.
Im not asking would they still block us going left
But do you think we would stop progressing as a country?
Cause going through hundreds of years, theres actual quite a few things we actually have progressed with. Like look at us in the queer community. When I was graduating high school in 08, I thought we were still so much further out from same sex marriage. And then once people focused on trans people, I thought we were still even further out from the dems helping them.
But yet over time they did move forward. Dont Ask Dont Tell was still dog shit. But it was something. Then it became queer people were allowed in. Period.
So even just in my life and my community I have seen progress. Its slow. It is. Its painfully slow. But its progress
So if we never had republicans in power we would suddenly stop that? Am I wrong about my community slowly becoming more and more accepted over the decades?
Or does me just knowing my communities history and celebrating where we have gotten make me a liberal?
It will probably get through as me and my friends are in camps thinking that at least this would have happened with Harris anyways.
It would have, just not to you and your friends, which is all you care about.
Actually my community, the black community, Jewish people, Native Americans. All of us turned out for Harris. We also voted to try and stop the republicans from rounding Hispanic people as well.
Its amazing how Im hearing that I only care about my community when its yall telling the marginalized communities we are wrong. That we are all the liberals who are to blame for all of this.
All of you? I didn’t realise that minority groups were one undifferentiated mass and not individuals. I’m glad that you, the spokesperson for blacks, Jews, and native Americans, has set me straight.
Its amazing how Im hearing that I only care about my community when its yall telling the marginalized communities we are wrong.
Your daily reminder that blueMAGA liberals don’t consider Palestinians human.
If you look at marginalized communities and ignore us because “Well not all agree”, when shit like 82% do, then just say you dont want to listen to us. And you try to call me out for speaking for those other communities while also saying theyre shit libs and dont listen to them either.
Once again proving my point.
And this is why communities are about to become more insular. Cause if yall hate us, then fuck it. Do it. Im just glad that this last year has finally shown that all this talk about supporting minorities hasn’t meant shit. And I can guarantee you I have heard more than enough people saying that same things.
So were you summoned in a ritual of some kind, Mr avatar, or do you form out of the aether? I’m curious how the entire collective will of all members of marginalized groups became merged in one obnoxious .world poster.
You still haven’t revealed if Palestinians are part of your collective hive Mind, but I’m getting the feeling they aren’t
Literally admitting to wanting to keep or create concentration camps (as long as it doesn’t affect you or your friends)… you and the other Team Blue libs are fucking neo-nazi psychos…
“Why do people call us Blue MAGA? We only want border cages and genocide when it’s our team doing it!”
Or
Here me out
Its more like a trolly problem
But the difference is the one is going to die
You didnt stop it by not voting
We arent going to stop Israel either way
But
On one side you have more death.
“You only care about your community.”
Im not Hispanic. I voted to try to keep this from happening to them.
Im not black. Theyre gonna ramp up slavery. I voted to at least help stop the Republicans from doing that
Women are going to due even more fron lack of Healthcare. Its not going to be states anymore. Its going to be federal.
Im not on Medicare or medicade. If those go, thats millions more…
Food stamps. People are gonna starve
Social Security. When people are too old to work but can’t afford rent, even more deaths
Farmers. Did you know that the last time Trump was president and they had to bail out farmers with our tax dollars, that money mostly went to corporate farms who then used that money to buy the land from farmers who were losing their farms and that this leads to hundreds if not thousands of farmers commiting suicide?
Do I love the democrats? No. Despite the no true Scotsman arguments, I dont like capitalism. Im pretty fucking against it.
But its amazing how many people are telling me Im only for my group. All of these groups are even more fucked than before.
Harm. Reduction.
I dont like meth or heroine. Ive seen the damage it does to people. Ive lost friends to it. But I also realize that just making it illegal has done nothing. Instead we need to take steps to help whole get off it. We need to do things like legalize it.
“So you love it!”
No. You legalize it, but then you also get places for people to get help. You dont just lock them up in prison and then set them free years later.
Voting isnt the only step. Its one step. Its harm reduction. It took me 1 out of 1,461 days to vote. That still leaves 1,460 days to do anything and everything else.
If dems stop progress but they arent the ones ratcheting, then a good step is to get rid of the ones ratcheting.
Its not the final step. Its a step.
You reduce the harm being done as you work for the final goal
But sure. Lets say I only care about my community and I votes to help only save us
That means you dont.
You dont care about any of these groups.
Wait, let me guess: youre gonna help save them in the revolution
After millions are dead
Are you getting prepared? Have you been practicing at the range? Are you in a militia? Are you ready to kill? Cause the 4th reich is here. Theres not really many other options. Especially if they make protesting illegal like the Republicans said. Trump said hes going after home grown next. You go to a protest in another year and you will likely be in the camps.
Or is the revolution like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ where we just hear about it? Cause if you wont even try to just slow it down with 1 day, then how can I trust you with the rest?
When you see us begging people to vote to help save all of us and you talk shit, how am I supposed to beleive you wont talk shit as we get rounded up?
Its hard to fight for Palestine when I have to worry about the fact that my trans brothers and sisters are losing their passports, meaning they wont even be able to leave the country.
Im not Hispanic. Im not black.
That’s interesting, given that you were declaring yourself the universal spokesman of marginalized groups elsewhere.
We arent going to stop Israel either way
I’m going to have to stop reading from here, I skimmed through 5 times anyways and couldn’t get any semblance of a coherent point. Clearly you don’t actually care about the marginalized groups you speak of, otherwise you would’ve understood why nobody takes your Western “democracy” seriously, you just continue to come off as the “I can’t be a genocide-loving Islamophobe, I have an Arab friend” type (or similar).
No amount of pearl clutching will wash away your depravity.
The person your replying to didn’t say anything like that. Your just ranting for no fucking reason.
Was the first sentence of the person I’m replying to not enlightening enough, or does someone have to hand you the explanation on a silver platter?
We get it. Everyone you don’t like is a nazi.
Both sides aren’t the same.
Republicans are much better at getting things done and winning elections.
This has to be the most brain dead community on Lemmy, still pulling this “Both sides” bullshit
I don’t know on which community we currently are, but this is the most accurate depiction of what’s actually going on. Democrats serve the corporate elite and don’t really bother turning it left.
Stop with this braindead serve the elites meme. Dems last admin passed tons of left wing legislation that benefited everyone.
Genocide apologist
Yeah, Trump really was the better option for Gaza. Palestinians are so lucky to brave supporters like you fighting the American left and Israeli left on their behalf. Remember its the thought that counts, not the outcomes.
Trump’s brief, half-hearted ceasefire was already more than Democrats did.
And I take it from your claim that the Biden admin “benifited everyone” that you don’t see Palestinians as human in the first place
Firstly that ceasefire was negotiated by biden admin. Secondly when you’re talking about a government benefiting everyone its pretty obviously meaning their own citizens. Now that I known the error of my ways I’ll make sure to scream “what about Palestinians” when I hear someone refer to everyone.
Firstly that ceasefire was negotiated by biden admin
Nope, now you’re just straight up lying to defend genocide. You’re more of a scumbag than any MAGA chud.
Secondly when you’re talking about a government benefiting everyone its pretty obviously meaning their own citizens.
If you’re a fascist. Which I’m gathering you are.
Now that I known the error of my ways I’ll make sure to scream “what about Palestinians” when I hear someone refer to everyone.
Shitlibs will always throw a tantrum when you tell them that non-white foreigners are human.
Intersting, I do not remember any means of production being turned over to the workers? I dont remember a law passed to remove the scehdual F capabilities, I do not remember stuffing the supreme court in retaliation for Roe being overturned. Heck I do not even remember stufing the Postal board of governors so full that it would fire DeJoy and ensure a reasonable PMG for over a decade… Please enlighten me, what left wing actions must I look at
I said left not commie.
Other than the first one none of those are communist. As for left there is nothing more left than communist, it can be argued, and I would be one that unless you are willing to give the workers the means of production, you cannot be left.
Yes but the rest are pointless since saying they passed a ton of left wing legislation isnt countered by listing random events that they didnt do.
We can go through all the events if you want. Schedule F was removed via EO on day 3 by biden and two house bills were drafted, one to remove the Schedule F workers that were classified and after that failed another was drafted to try and protect the workers who were reclassified by trump.
Packing the court out of retaliation is bad and every attempt in recent history has failed and I cant be fucked researching 'stuffing the postal board of governors" so you can have that. Dam I guess dems passed no left wing policy because they didnt stuff the postal board of governors.
If you don’t like that party isnt 100% behind every single thing then the thing to do is focus on getting candiates you like in the states that have shit dems instead of trying to sink the entire party. If you sink the entire party you dont end up with more left wing legislation you end up with more right wing legislation.
The options you then present are basically “Every option is shit, vote for this option that doesnt exist and is unpopular with majority of the country”
All those left wing policies being implemented like:
Is significantly reducing the cost of life saving medicine and giving families $300 a month per kid not left wing policy?
You’re either incredibly uninformed or purposely undermining the left I can’t tell which.
Not at all. Making families buy life-saving medicine, at whatever price, is in fact the opposite of left-wing policy. Universal, single-payer health care is just centrist policy in many countries.
the child tax credit only lasted one year, and the cost reduction was only for the elderly
child tax credit only lasted one year
not true at all
the cost reduction was only for the elderly
Not true and even if it was 100% elderly people it is still a bill that grants significantly cheaper drugs for 65million people of a demographic that is the most in need of perscription medication. Which is a objectively a good bill and furthers left wing ideals. If you dont agree I genuinely dont believe you are on the left since you actively want a worse world.
Are you getting your info from google AI summaries, im genuinely curious how you are so confidently wrong.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/inflation-reduction-act-medicare-insulin-cap/index.html
Senior citizens and other Medicare enrollees can now get a break on the cost of their insulin.
They won’t pay more than $35 a month for each insulin prescription that’s covered by their Medicare Part D plan. And they won’t be subject to a deductible for insulin.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-budget-tax-child-tax-credit-ctc-eitc-who-qualifies/
The CTC isn’t a new tax credit — it’s been around since the 1990s. But as the nation struggled to emerge from the pandemic in 2021, lawmakers expanded the $2,000 credit to as much as $3,600. As part of that expansion, families received half of the CTC in monthly checks over six months, providing them with as much as $300 per child for each of those months.
That expanded tax benefit, which proved to be immensely popular with families, also helped lift millions of kids out of poverty. Once it expired in 2022, the poverty rate for children soared.
It should be free. Don’t charge for life saving medicine.
It should be, but Americans still dont want universal healthcare. The last polling I saw had it at just over 50% supporting Universal healthcare. If you want to implement a huge change like universal healthcare you probably want to have at least 70% of the people on board. Otherwise you implement it and half the country tries to drag it down and make it unusable. Look at how the right wing in the UK is trying to destroy their national healthcare system.
The extra $300 per month would be a better argument if they tried to keep it going instead of letting it lapse…
Its ending under trump. The 1 year of significantly boosted CTC was government assistance given to people. The right wing version of that would have been tax cuts for business. Could he have passed legislation that kept ctc at that amount, probably not and it would likely be repealed by Trump. Just because something could be better doesn’t mean it isn’t good. If you use “it could be better” as an justification for something being bad then people can say the same thing about things you mention. Oh yeah he passed boosted CTC forever well he should have increased it more, he should have given to to all families, he should just give that money to everyone. Lets be realistic instead of delusional so things in the real world can actually get better.
It ended under Biden along with most of the benefit increases we got because of covid. It was bad enough to have a massive spike in child poverty after decreasing.
Lets be realistic instead of delusional so things in the real world can actually get better.
Except that’s not at all the case
You aren’t wrong in that the democrats prefer the status quo but it’s far from both sides being the same. If we have to pick a side, and if we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it. For example, Ranked choice voting would be great, but let’s get more states to use it before expecting the highest office in the land to adopt it.
Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it.
The democrats are only in power for at most two years, and that’s assuming there’s no quislings like Lieberman or Fetterman or Manchin or Sinema in them. So they’ve barely got enough votes to move the needle on anything, and voting is low on the priority list.
And after two years the Republicans win one or both houses of Congress and maybe the presidency, and then undo everything.
This has been repeating my entire life, and now it’s getting to the fascist endgame.
The system itself is broken and failing. It’s not going to help us.
pro democracy
one correct choice
Pick one.
we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
Western “democracy” in a nutshell. Catch-22 could only dream of such absurdity.
Look at this guy, believing there’s actually 2 sides
Welcome to .ml, you’ll get the jokes now.
You might not have noticed but 90% of these posts come from the same user
The most braindead instance is still .world. It’s basically reddit in a nutshell
I’m not American but there’s so many socialists on here refusing to vote for the lesser evil because they don’t offer the right candidates and advocating revolution.
why not take a page from the right’s clearly successful playbook and vote more in local politics and primaries. Maga managed to turn the republicans into exactly what they wanted this way, but the American left just sits there waiting for someone to start a revolution.
well I understand it might be late now and elections might not do much going forward, but jesus it’s like the only option you guys saw is voting for whoever the parties put toward or revolution.
Reminder that the Democrats would be considered even further right than the Conservative Party in Canada. And Canada itself is still considered pretty right wing with no big leftist parties (NDP is still center-right at best)
Before you reply to me directly please understand:
- The US overthrew democracy in the country I am from
- The US installed a fascist king with secret police that terrorized my family
- Once kicked out the US supported a dictator in the neighboring country where the other half of my family lived
- The US funded both sides of a war between my country and the neighboring one that led to mass civilian deaths, one side directly by giving a dictator weapons and cash and the other side clandestinely thru laundering money by selling drugs in Latin America
- Once they lost that war turned on the dictator in the neighboring country and invented reasons to illegally invade. Twice
- Toppled the regime and left a power vacuum that consumed all my family that lived there for literally hundreds of years.
- Created material conditions in the country my family is from that forced them to leave or die
You Americans are not the good guys, your country and government is evil to its core.
Democrats certainly have flaws, but focusing on them during an election of such consequence resulted in Trump. And so being “right” was worth it???
Trump is a consequence of decades of lesser evilism and rightward ratcheting
If progressivism was so popular they could’ve taken over the Democratic party at any time.
Lol. Yeah, it’s a good thing we live in a Just World.
Progressives either need to win more races or just stfu already. It’s always somehow everyone else’s fault.
Thing is- I WANT progressive policy. But acting as if there is some big majority that’s just waiting for the perfect candidate is foolish. Either it’s not popular or people are LAZY just like I stated before and need to be shamed into voting regardless.
Inconvenient truth for progressives.
Progressives either need to win more races or just stfu already. It’s always somehow everyone else’s fault.
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Either it’s not popular or people are LAZY just like I stated before and need to be shamed into voting regardless.
Lol. Yeah, it’s a good thing we live in a Just World.
If you’d developed class consciousness, you’d understand why neither party enacts progressive policies despite their popularity. Previously:
The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Sure sure sure. FDR never existed, etc. etc. etc.
Excuses right on cue.
When you have to go back 93 years to the Great Depression to find an example, you’ve made my point.
FDR did what he did to save capitalism from the threat of socialist revolution, and politicians have spent the last three generations clawing back the concessions he had made to socialist & labor agitators. They also purged socialists from trade unions, and they purged and even assassinated communists, to avoid any such thing happening again.
Chris Hedges, America: The Farewell Tour:
The New Deal, as Franklin Delano Roosevelt said, saved capitalism. It was put in place because socialists were a strong and serious threat. The oligarchs understood that with the breakdown of capitalism—something I expect we will again witness in our lifetimes—there was a possibility of a socialist revolution. They did not want to lose their wealth and power. Roosevelt, writing to a friend in 1930, said there was “no question in my mind that it is time for the country to become fairly radical for at least one generation. History shows that where this occurs occasionally, nations are saved from revolution.” In other words, Roosevelt went to his fellow oligarchs and said, “Hand over some of your money or you will lose all your money in a revolution.” And they complied. That is how the government created fifteen million jobs, Social Security, unemployment benefits, and public works projects. The capitalists did not do this because the suffering of the masses moved them to pity. They did this because they were scared.
But you just can’t put a price on that feeling of smug self righteousness ya know?
Leftists are not liberals. The things that matter to leftists are different than the things that matter to liberals. We have different goals. The things liberals advocate for do not move us towards our goals. We have no reason to support you.
And yet many of us leftists are still calling you out. If anyone needs any more evidence of this, look up who voted for her the most. Black people, particularly black women, Jewish people, and the LGBTQ+ community. Now, who wants to guess which groups have been the loudest voices against capitalism in the US? Who has been the most politically active?
Its generally been us in the communities who are going to die.
But if these communities tend to be liberals then I will gladly be a communist liberal.
“leftism is when identify politics”
Ok liberal
Lol If leftism is telling the groups who have historically been at the forefront of everything, including fighting against capitalism, that they need to shut up cause theyre just liberals, then I love liberals.
If liberalism is worrying about the communities who get harmed the most, then Im a liberal
But Im so glad to have seen over this last year that leftistism is apperantly thinking of us the same way Republicans do.
I didn’t realise I was talking to the incarnate avatar of “marginalised community”. Are Palestinians included in your metaphysical essence?
I will gladly be a communist liberal.
It is impossible to be a communist/anarchist/socialist/leftist liberal, because communism/anarchism/socialism/leftism are diametrically opposed to liberalism.
Its OK if the point went over your head
Mate you’d need to have a point for it tk go anywhere.
Yes, and leftists don’t put the same value in identity that liberals do. We obviously care to some extent, we believe in national liberation, and historically the communist movements have supported black people in the US for example.
You know what those communists didn’t do though? Vote for liberals.
Also if you’re trying to say that minority groups are the most politically active…I’d agree. That’s why leftist groups are represented by large amounts of those people.
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If you want to save the planet, that takes abolishing the capitalist system. Neither major party is going to implement real measures to fix that. Harris was running on stronger borders too so I really don’t think its a reach to say we’d be getting ICE raids and destroyed lives under her.
In the words of Malcolm X: “If you stick a knife in my back 9 inches and pull it out 6 inches, there’s no progress. If you pull it all the way out, that’s not progress. The progress is healing the wound…”
Give me someone that wants to heal the wound. I’ll vote for them.
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Did I say anything about China?
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The same Democrats that barely won the previous election by telling people not to focus on them but Trump. Imagine funding the murder of kids, ignoring the housing crisis & then thinking you could just pull out the previous playbook with a dementia patient, then anointing Kamala Cheney at the last minute.
Here is the education that you need to take over the Democratic Party:
David Hogg, the new Vice Chair of the DNC, has allocated $20M to primary out the old, and replace them with youthful progressives to create a true opposition party.
Democratic primaries only see ~20% turnout in congressional elections. 30/50 states have partisan primaries, meaning you must be registered as a Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary. This was a contributing factor in Bernie’s 2016 loss.
Rather than progressives and leftists fracturing over third-parties, we need to all block vote progressives into the Democratic Party through primaries and replace the deadwood centrists that have been content with the status quo.
Check your state’s primary type here: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state
David Hogg
Be unarmed if you wish, but don’t choose for other people how they defend themselves.
The Democrats will not defend us, the justice system will not defend us. We are on our own.
This was a contributing factor in Bernie’s 2016 loss.
I am from the Bronx. I was a registered democrat my entire life. Somehow when my wife and I went to vote in 2016, after making sure we were registered, we were turned away from the polls because “we weren’t registered”
2 years later I started receiving the letters and was suddenly registered again.
The reason Bernie lost in 2016 is your fucking party threw us off the rolls because of who we are and where we lived. Your fucking party stole that election. You are full of shit and it is you that is a fascist enabler by making an excuse for corruption.
It’s not my party. I’ve been left of the Democrats since the 90s. It’s the party that more closely aligns with my values between the only two that can win a US Presidential Election.
I believe you, and I’m sure you’re not the only one with that problem. I didn’t say it was the reason Bernie lost, because I’m fully aware of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary’s collusion, but it was a contributing factor.
I volunteered to direct foot traffic for the general election, and chatted up several other volunteers about the disappointing results of the primary. They told me that they couldn’t believe how many registered independents and no party affiliation voters they had to turn away. Apparently partisan primary requirements aren’t common knowledge, so I’m sharing this information to prevent other people from having the same experience.
What you described is a big issue. I feel it shows just how much there needs to be a push for change nationally and within each of the states to lobby the Democratic Party for change. Some states have open primaries, some have closed, and others have semi-open primaries. It makes no sense for states to not just be semi-open or fully open for primaries, as closed primaries just further alienates the party from potential voters.
It’s not my party
It’s enough your party that you’re willing to do genocide denial for them
As someone that voted Bernie in 2016, we didn’t have the votes in 2016 for Bernie to make it through the primary. The country itself was not as progressive in 2016 as it is now imo, especially so for the Democratic base.
For Bernie to have even had a chance to win the primary, the election format would have needed to not be First Past the Post. He was a victim of vote splitting found in First Past the Post and then establishment Dems allocated their voters votes to go towards Hillary. I don’t think it was fair what happened to Bernie especially with the DNC, but I realize now it was a flaw of the system itself that makes it extremely difficult for a progressive to win a Democratic presidential primary. I think it makes zero sense why people can’t pick their favorite candidate(s) first and then pick backup ‘safe’ candidates for elections. Also there is the issue of some states excluding people not registered with a party from voting in the primary. I feel it is a bad move to prevent these voters at the primary level since non-affiliated voters are usually the ones that ultimately decide the elections and they can give input ahead of time if they would vote for that candidate in the general election.
Having ranked robin voting, STAR voting, or score voting would help prevent a popular candidate like Bernie from losing by default to a ‘safe’ establishment pick.
Lol, and this was the establishment Democrat response:
Hilarious that Carville claimed progressives have purity tests in the same breath
Yup. Carville wants to preserve the “schism” between progressives and liberals. That’s how you know it’s the right move. We need to shift back the Overton window.
I try to remind people that we have no “Leftist” party or even a “Centre left” party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.
