cross-posted from: https://hilariouschaos.com/post/1077711
Edit: https://chapo.chat/ for the live action drama, sort by new posts.
Edit edit: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
Welp
Heartbreaking: The Worst Capitalist Practice You Know Just Accidentally Picked A Funny Target
… if DNS is the worst capitalist practice you know of then you REALLY should spend less time shitposting and more time paying attention to the world.
(It’s a joke/reference, I guess it’s not 100% known though. My bad.)
I really do hate “I know what I have so you are going to pay whatever number I set” capitalism though, which is what they do here. These registrars figured out a loophole around the redemption grace period and are, from the start, set up to make you lose the domain and then spend significant money on a completely unfair auction where they have the power to plant fake bids, rather than paying the usual static redemption fees that aren’t that excessive.
Yes… but the meme doesn’t work if said practice is barely on the scale.
Because yeah, there are some REALLY sketchy registrars. Working with the “reputable” ones and now taking advantage of a nation’s country code for the lulz (see: .ml) keeps you pretty safe.
This is amusing, but one guy from the crosspost raised a valid problem:
If the hexbear domain fully dies, then all the idiots kept in containment by defederation will start jumping ship to other instances, and start causing trouble for users and moderators.I have a more optimistic outlook. If they get spread out there’s a higher chance of them getting out of their echo chamber and becoming a normal person. And let’s be real, the worst of them will go into Lemmygrad to continue their circlejerk and thus won’t bother the wider fediverse. And the worst of them probably already have alts on other instances where they stir up shit.
Right. I don’t mind people wearing certain red hats. It lets me know right up front what to expect. Reddit had the same dilemma once upon a time where specific subs were banned, and that just forced the roaches to hide in unknown areas where once you knew exactly where to find them all.
In my experience these “containment” boards/servers/sections tend not to work.
Long term it basically just creates a place that attracts those you don’t want, and becomes place for those ideologies to spread. Then it either gets bad enough they take over (you know the site) or they break off wholesale and form a new community dedicated to those worst impulses (pyrrhic victory at best).
The best policy is to actively moderate, and in the case of the fediverse, defederate, those groups and those that give them shelter.
Meh, they’re just going to flood over into grad and .ml where they’ll be welcomed with open arms.
Then all those “.ml’s not that bad, they’re kinda nice” folks will see that .ml mask drop and then finally .world will defed from the last of the Tankie
TriadDyadI’ll take it. It’s easy enough to tag people when I see them unironically spewing russian propaganda or bringing up American atrocities to justify Chinese ones.
all the idiots kept in containment by defederation will start jumping ship to other instances, and start causing trouble for users and moderators
Many of them already do that with alt accounts, which would explain the considerable number of downvotes here.
They followed me around and down voted everything I posted for a while (memes, conversational comments, everything). Oh and they also threatened to kill me. Fuck hexbear and all its users.
I had a Hexbear account, but I once posted something that got 10+ upvotes, then someone came along and read something into it that wasn’t there at all and made an unfounded accusation.
I pushed back as gently as I could, got dogpiled, then the mods removed my comments. So I deleted the rest of my comments and posts along with my account.
They like to complain about how their bad reputation is undeserved, and then refuse to look in the mirror because they’re always right.
Fuck hexbear and all its users.
I feel the same way that you do.
So the tankie idiots join the bigger pool of non-tankie idiots. How will we ever survive…
This is IMO a risk for many individual owned fediverse instance. Someone has a domain, at a point other admin take over, and the domain owner doesn’t renew no matter whether they forget because real life happens or due to some Drama.
Very few instances have a clear legal organizational (like a non profit club) running, which is more flexible when founders step out
Yeah this does prove a failing point for the fediverse that is an important part of larger adoption. This still mostly exists in large part by communal effort even if the community doesn’t appreciate it or recognize it
What’s a hex bear?
A far-left Lemmy instance, one of the so-called “Tankie Triad” (along with lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml). Compared to other instances of the Triad, focuses more on inclusivity and minority rights.
As with all instances of the Triad, Hexbear is commonly hated on other instances due to conflicts stemming from the difference of political perspectives with the majority of people on other instances.
They’re not “far-left” they’re authoritarian “communists” and by “difference of political perspectives” you mean denial of human rights abuses and suppression of freedom by authoritarian regimes (even denying they are authoritarian regimes) like China or even that Russia was totally justified attacking a country unprovoked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
Hexbear, along with .ml and grad, are Tankie instances. Known as the Tankie Triad (well soon to be Tankie Dyad anyways lol)
Pedobear with extra steps
That doesn’t really clear anything up, tbh, I don’t know what this is or why I care about their domain expiring this post did nothing to explain that
That’s not what you asked
But you lied about their damage anyways so who cares what he asked if you’re not going to actually answer?
What?
Did I stutter, or are you just not used to getting pushback on describing all your enemies as pedos?
Sorry im not able to decifer your code
But you lied about their damage anyways so who cares what he asked if you’re not going to actually answer?
What am I supposed to do with that nonsense?
A bear made of hexagons
Communists (internet troll-ish)
As opposed to Communists (just-- communists) from lemmy.ml and Communists (Spicy Communists) from lemmygrad.ml
None of them are communists, they’re Tankies, tankies = authoritarians
I think saying Tankies aren’t Communists is a bit like saying Sword Art Online isn’t an anime.
Just because they suck doesn’t remove them from the category. In fact acknowledging the sucky parts of a <thing> is part of being grown up about that thing.
Well they’re more like Authoritarian “Communists”, the theory of communism doesn’t require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms.
But the only examples of communism in practice, and the only ones they praise and defend fervently, are places with authoritarian regimes like China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
the theory of communism doesn’t require human rights violations and restrictions of freedoms
Communism is a political ideology predicated on murdering a group of political enemies in the name of a pseudoscientific economic theory which is given the same reverence that Catholics do to church dogma. Communism is, and always has been, a cult.
Whoever told you that had an agenda.
First, communism is an economic theory. A very stripped down version of the theory is this: It proposes that the rich have obtained their wealth through the exploitation of workers. They justify the exploitation by “owning” the raw materials, tools, factories, land, and other apparatuses that the workers need to produce things. But without workers those things could not be converted or used to convert raw materials into goods. The theory suggests that the workers should own those things instead of the rich people. The idea is that the workers would then share amongst each other because, being of the same class, they are naturally more likely to care about the needs of the others in that class. Whatever your opinion or critique of this general idea, it is an idea not a cult.
Like all theories that have some level of popularity it has a lot of variations and sub theories. Some are more idealistic than others. These factions have a lot of history with one another a review of the Russian revolution and lead up show the kind of factionalism that exists with the movement. If you study revolutions you know that this is common.
Second, people have used virtually any ideal to justify atrocities. We should not throw out an idea only because someone somewhere used it to justify violence.
Third dogma is a problem. It is used in communist communities in the same way that it is used in the Catholic Church, to try and prevent descension. As noted above communist movements tend to have a lot of factions but the one that gains the most traction always tries to force the others into line. This is common wherever there are new ideas being implemented as policy.
This is likely why people think communism is intent on murdering its enemies. However, every revolution, Russian, French, Haitian, United States, etc. used violence and murder to achieve its goal.
Communists also say that capitalism murders people every day, and they die with a smile on their face. A pittance of a paycheck goes in their widow’s purse while they have died without realizing that they were exploited to death.
Socialism is the theory that workers should own the means of production. Communism is the theory that the workers should massacre the owners in order to get them. While socialism describes an ideal state of society, communism is explicitly a program for mass murder to achieve a much more vague definition of an ideal society. That is why, after establishing a communist state, communist governments continue to seek out and purge or murder heretics against the Marxist-Leninist state ideology (or “Mao Zedong thought”). Communism is not a theory, as dialectical materialism likes to pretend it is. At its best, communism is a political cult that attract white middle class college freshman. At its worst, communism is a state religion with all the inquisitions and mass murder and auto-genocide that comes with that.
Communism is unintelligible without perceived enemies of the working class. This was not a perversion by Lenin or Stalin; this is baked into the DNA of the writings of Marx, who dedicated a few thousand pages to misdescribing the economics of capitalism and his fantasies for mass murder, but comparatively few pages describing what the end result of that revolution looks like.
I can intellectually respect a Socialist who is convinced that the world would be better if all companies were worker coops, or if all business were regulated by state councils of proletarian soviets. I do not respect anybody claiming to be a communist in precisely the same way that I don’t respect anyone claiming to be a Nazi; they are equally evil and murderous ideologies that are responsible for tens if not over a hundred million deaths throughout the 20th century. Anybody who endorses this ideology in the 21st century is as low as a fucking neo-Nazi
However, every revolution, Russian, French, Haitian, United States, etc. used violence and murder to achieve its goal.
This is a ridiculous false equivalence.
Ok neolib .
Eloquent in your brevity
Whats wrong with SAO
Trash.
Its generic slop by anime standards. Like yeah anime is meant for teenagers and young adults so you can’t be too critical over fanservice or flat YA novel Gary sue tier character writing or forgetting to write an actually compelling reason for the villain doing the bad thing at the start by the time the story wraps up. But you can at least try you know?
Anime in general is not meant to be high art but SAO goes the extra mile to be uninteresting bland slop that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Young nerdy teenage boys dont care because all they want is the hot anime girl harem and flashy epic gamer op superpower eye candy sakuga battles but the older you get the more apparent the poor writing gets.
The isekai genre has done a lot better over the decade since SAO initially released things like rezero or even Overlord blow it out of the water in terms of actually interesting plot and suspense. The only reason SAO is still popular is the high quality porn.
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Communism is stateless and classless. How are STATES with authoritarian unanswerable leaders/classes in any way communist?
TBF there are different types of communism. Marxist, Leninist, State, Libertarian, etc… I don’t know enough about how they all decided to become all these sub-genres, but my basic take is that there’s communism, the kind where workers have the power and the distribution of goods and wealth is shared among society; and then there’s the communism that we all know, the authoritarian regime that controls the classes and distribution of goods and wealth.
Personally I think the latter shouldn’t be called communism at all, it’s a completely different animal than the original idea, but IMO conservative politics have so thoroughly conflated tyrannical state control with communism, along with Stalin’s\Lenin’s authoritarian brutality claiming to be communism, that the two will never be separated.
On the unlikely chance that the question isn’t rhetodical, I’d suggest Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds.
It’s not rhetorical. ML, Leninism is called that because it literally isn’t communism. Otherwise they’d just call it communism. It’s a cunning master plan to build an economy capable of somehow transitioning to communism. How? Good question. Even the ideologies creators didn’t really explain it properly. It literally fits the 3 step meme.
Step 1: slaughter everyone that disagrees with you.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: communism!
My criticism of Leninism isn’t defense of anyone. As an anarchist I’m anti-authoritarian whether they’re liberal/leninist/maoist. You’re all a danger to yourselves and everyone else. Regardless of how much everyone despising each other or constant whataboutism. Under capitalism oligarchs buy our representation. Turn them against us. Putting the boot at our necks. Under leninism. The Vanguard party consolidates power. Killing or imprisoning anyone who is a threat no matter how small. And rewarding friends and family with wealth and power. All the while the boot at the throat of the proletariat they’re supposed to be serving. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. They all need to be torn down.
Leninism is called that because it literally isn’t communism. Otherwise they’d just call it communism.
They actually do just call it Communism. Few people call it Leninism.
Communism is stateless
This is propaganda comparable to the GOP wanting “smaller government” rather than authoritarian Fascism.
Well then please go edit wikipedia. As well as most political science and philosophy books. Because that’s literally how it’s defined. Actually they commonly go further classless stateless moneyless. But I digress. I’m not the one pushing GOP or FSB propaganda here.
A bear made of hexagons
Well yea but what is it in this specific context? I have no idea what this is
An unhealthy Lemmy obsession.
Just block it and get on with your life.
No way, after all that posting hexbear is defeated by capitalism???
Nah. Socialists can charge for services.
It was defeated by an admin being so done with their shit he couldn’t be bothered lol
Is there a way to know who bought it? Did they get it back or is it some rando or is it a known third party?
It is actively being auctioned, see the post body.
Ah… I did not understand the auction link. I thought “expired” meant that the auction ended. I guess it describes the status of the domain.
Thanks
You don’t actually “buy” domain names. You basically rent them from a registrar. “expired” meant someone forgot to pay rent / renew the lease so control of the name goes back to the registrar. They can just delete it after some grace period but domain names that has traffic going to them has value so they are usually put up for auction by the registrar nowadays, which is what you see here.
Without saying who downvoted you (I can see who did because I’m an instance admin), I’m pretty sure that person is gunning for “person who downvotes the most on the fediverse”. They have a lot of hate in their soul.
Isn’t hilarious chaos a Nazi instance?
No, it isn’t.
So… who’s outbidding them? Someone from tankiejerk? Or are their being taken over by lemmygrad, to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?
Hard to say, we’ll have to wait and see who gets it.
I personally think there’s no point for them to try and get it back, they’ll most likely come back under a different domain.
Or are their being taken over by lemmygrad, to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?
What‽ LMAO grad, .ml are Tankie instances just the same and Dess is a huge Tankie lolol
Lemmygrad and tankies in general have military discipline while hexbear is a vibes-based mob. Authoritarians vs. virtue signallers, one taking over the other would mean popcorn for years.
Yeah I can see that, that would also explain how .ml can maintain… subtlety…to avoid a larger call for defederation from them.
However, saying “to be introduced to Socialism with Dessaline characteristics?” Is rather disingenuous, Tankies with restraint and discipline are still Tankies
Socialism with Dessaline characteristics is, to the best of my knowledge, the ideology of lemmygrad. You know, abolish slavery and then run plantations with forced labour is a very tankie thing to do. I’m sure both Dessalines, the emperor and the lemmy dev one, can explain to you how those two are completely different things.
Wow, what a character to base your username off of and presumably looks up to?..
In any case, Tankies hate socialism, they see it as nothing but trying to “make capitalism work with regulation” and they strive for abolishment of capitalism entirely.
Which, I’m not against, but they want to abolish and then replace it with an authoritarianism-based regime instead that looks something like what China has, which is just replacing a bad thing with something as equally as bad or worse.
In any case, Tankies hate socialism, they see it as nothing but trying to “make capitalism work with regulation” and they strive for abolishment of capitalism entirely.
You are confusing “socialism” with “capitalism with social safety nets.”
Socialism is the abolition of private ownership of the means of production, and private ownership of the means of production is what capitalism is. All versions of socialism are anti-capitalist, including communism.
You don’t even have a Wikipedia-level understanding of capitalism, socialism, or communism. Have you even read the first few paragraphs of the Wiki entries for the concepts you pretend to be knowledgeable of?
A) if you had read my comment closely, you would have seen I said "What they SEE it as. Not what it is
B) Socialism does not require the abolishment of capitalism and most working examples of it, such as in EU countries, works alongside capitalism. This is the version most people think when they reference socialism and that’s what’s relevant to the discussion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
Socialist systems divide into non-market and market forms. A non-market socialist system seeks to eliminate the perceived inefficiencies, irrationalities, unpredictability, and crises that socialists traditionally associate with capital accumulation and the profit system. Market socialism retains the use of monetary prices, factor markets and sometimes the profit motive. As a political force, socialist parties and ideas exercise varying degrees of power and influence, heading national governments in several countries. Socialist politics have been internationalist and nationalist; organised through political parties and opposed to party politics; at times overlapping with trade unions and other times independent and critical of them, and present in industrialised and developing nations. Social democracy originated within the socialist movement, supporting economic and social interventions to promote social justice. While retaining socialism as a long-term goal, in the post-war period social democracy embraced a mixed economy based on Keynesianism within a predominantly developed capitalist market economy and liberal democratic polity that expands state intervention to include income redistribution, regulation, and a welfare state.
China is calling the state capitalism they have there “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”. Hence “with Dessalines characteristics”.
So this is a man-in-the-middle attack waiting to happen isn’t it? Buy the domain, setup a reverse proxy that points to the original hexbear server IP and start logging all requests.
Probably. In all honestly, if you are a hexbear user, I’d be keeping a careful eye on who owns the domain when it magically pops back up.
I need a reminder of what hexbear is about. I recall something… off.
They’re part of the Tankie Triad (.ml, lemmygrad, hexbear). Quite possibly the worst of the triad
Beyond just the general tankiness that others have mentioned, I think the worst thing about Hexbear is how they aggressively claim to be pro-LGBTQ+ while zealously supporting Russia and China, nations which actively persecute anyone who is not hetero-normative. Putin actively jokes about killing homosexuals, and the PRC will black-bag you and put you in a reeducation camp.
I’ve always felt there was something deeply sinister in this hypocrisy, probably having to do with intentionally targeting marginalized people and attempting to influence and/or radicalize them - your basic cult recruitment tactics.
Tankie instance
They don’t care, mission was accomplished in November of last year.
They were established 4+ years ago just to cause the dnc to lose an election in 2024?
Yes, are you unaware of how Russian propaganda works?
I do but that’s quite the stretch when they’re usually going for right wing propagandists
Old Soviet/Russian doctrine is to always play both (or all) sides of a conflict
What I see from hexbear trolls is an attempt to usurp leftism and turn it into something very weird. They came hard for Biden and Kamala, but don’t really say anything negative about Trump. They talk about “libs” as though the word hasn’t changed which group it refers to over the course of the last century.
It is quite clear to me that they do this to advance Russian interests and global fascism. They will, of course, deny it, but they are simply manipulators.
They constantly shit on trump.
Now I wonder what you think leftism is
There are definitely far left groups, primarily in Europe, that ally with Russia. All groups on the fringes have proven useful for spreading pro-Russian propaganda. In the US, Trump’s pro-Russian sympathies and general stupifaction of the GOP has led to the GOP becoming an ally to the Kremlin. But prior to that, both parties were anti-Russia with Republicans being moreso.
They were established 4+ years ago just to cause the dnc to lose an election in 2024?
The DNC did not lose. We are the losers. You and me will feel the impact way more than well to do politicians.
And they’re certainly showing that by their reaction to the election and people asking them to do anything
The fuck is going on with this domain?
It has only three letters and its on the .com top-level domain. That’s it.
I bid seventy cents, two peanut shells, and a cancelled postage stamp.
Wait, postage stamps can be cancelled?
That stamp knows what it did.
The postage stamp asked strangers to lick its behind!
Oh it couldn’t have happened to a better bunch! 😈
