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Alright. So one, that’s literally America’s mantra. 2, that’s literally how you ended your last comment. 3, you’re just moving the goalpost. Instead of pretending to be arguing in good faith when this wasn’t even supposed to be an argument, just leave the comment section. What’s the point starting shit on a post that’s already a day old? If this is fun for you, maybe you should try Reddit.

I suppose you’re right that your country is similar or has similarities. I’m not saying that other countries don’t have problems with their own governments or money. But that’s not what I was illustrating here. What I’m illustrating is why the fair elections turn out how they do. Would I say that Russia is less corrupt or less ruled by money? No. Ukrain? Obviously not.

What I’m illustrating is that America, despite being “the land of the free,” is very much not free. And this idea that all Americans are at fault for Donald being elected isn’t true. About 47% of its population didn’t vote for him (before you say anything I do understand how elections work) and now he is tearing our republic/democracy apart.

And yes, it always looks from outsider perspectives that Americans are not studied or that we don’t travel or that we don’t pay attention to outside politics. We do. Believe me. So when I say we have a very different political system, I’d argue it’s true. And it’s true for every other country. No political system (or even government) is the same. And we are all just as helpless as each other. Like, in America we don’t have parties sprouting up like Russia, Germany, Australia, etc. we don’t have a dictatorship like Russia, North Korea. We don’t have three separate countries inside of one like the UK - we have over 50. It’s like if the EU was one country.

So it doesn’t help that you’re assuming I don’t pay attention outside my boarders. We literally just invaded Venezuela and kidnapped their leader (without our congress agreeing to it, which is required by law). America has so much power in world politics. We have military bases spread across the world; it wouldn’t even require us dispatching troops from America to stage a coup in another country. And we’ve already done it or tried to do it: look at the Philippines or Cuba (Bay of Pigs as we call it) or literally anywhere in the Middle East. I would be an idiot to not pay attention. It’s fucking scary.

And to give you another example, these corporations that I’m talking about don’t just mess with my economy and government. These chip shortages you’re seeing, that’s the companies in my country causing them. China not exporting chips that are used for cars anymore? That’s America’s fault.

I love how you’re just an asshole

I see no lies here.

The truth about the “replacing everyone with AI” is even more boggling. Bezos didn’t “replace” anyone with AI when he laid off all those people. What he did was look at the cost of “salaries” vs the cost of “building an infrastructure” for AI, and decided gambling on AI was cheaper than paying the workers he’s employed.

I mean, what do you want us to do about it? What do you think it’s like having said child rapist as your leader when you didn’t vote for him? He has his own military force running around rounding people up and killing others. The news has only just covered 2 of them. 2025 saw more deaths due to ICE than its entire history.

It’s not the people you should point the finger at either. Do you even know the term “Gerrymandering?” Look it up. These elections are determined 16 years beforehand AND now Trump is trying to rewrite district lines so that Republicans have more districts that are even more partisan. On top of that, he’s threatening voters with violence. He’s already threatened to send military to voting stations.

On top of all of that, I don’t care what country you’re from, America has a different political system than ANY other country in the world. I don’t think even most Americans understand this. America’s two party system is ruled by money and bribes (we call these brides “lobbying”). Basically, corporations give money or trips or items to judges and politicians to get them to do what they want. And even our 4 party leaders (imagine you have 2 parliaments - one based off of population size for your state, and another where every state gets the same number of votes) are the leaders precisely because they have the most money that can be used for campaign ads. Oh yeah, don’t get me started on insider trading of our politicians. Everything I’ve described in this paragraph is 100% legal.

I’m not trying to tell people to not vote, but the truth is that in America, the land of the free and the land of democracy, our votes don’t matter, primarily because of the gerrymandering. So when you see Americans saying they’re fed up, don’t act like we aren’t fed up “enough.” We have people dying at protests. Our state level and local governments are looking at what happened in Iran and are waiting for Trump to do the same. He’s basically threatened it if any ICE agent dies.

I think Americans also hate America this much.

Edit:

Since there’s an asshole starting shit in these comments: for you guys outside of America, I want one thing to be clear. We do not like having Trump as president. He ran saying he’d bring down costs for poorer families, but instead has ran a straight-up terror campaign.

The second thing is that America has a two party system. You’ve most likely heard this fact stated, but may not know what it means. America’s politics effectively give you two parties to vote for and anyone running as one of the “other parties” is wholly for posterity to take votes away from one of the two major candidates. This two party system was effectively bought by major corporations like Amazon. Corporations and “Special interest groups” (rich people) are able to lobby (bribe politicians) over-the-board to get what they want.

The big kicker is gerrymandering: these political leaders who take “lobbying” pick and choose districts. Long-story-short: this is what really decides elections. Instead of these being “squares” of land, lawmakers divvy up their states (our states are as large as European countries in both population and land size; there are 50 not counting all the countries we occupy like Australia or territories like Puerto Rico because they don’t voter) in their own party’s interest.

There is no way for a new party to rise like any other country in the world because they don’t ever have enough money to out market these two bigger parties. Even our 4 leaders (2 leaders per party per house and senate which are like one parliament based off of population size and one fucked up “equal” one) are chosen based on money.

Our politicians are corrupt, and they make the rules. There is not a lot Americans can really do, especially with the president having Americans killed. ICE is a para-military force that’s killed more people in 2025 than it had in its entire history; it’s not just the two news sites are reporting. Even our state representatives and senates/houses are afraid. They’re essentially afraid of this becoming Iran.

And a lot of Americans are prepping to flea. A lot of us have set up dual citizenships.

It’s not great.

Just another day in corporate America. Putting fake profits over employees’s well-beings, and customer safety and privacy.

The thing that gets me is they just want to get in on this $2Billion investment that keeps changing hands without changing hands. They really are just taking IOUs from… elsewhere? Because apparently, according to Jensen, that money hasn’t actually exchanged hands. Investors are just buying into the new Ponzi Scheme.

@RonaldRump, you seeing this shit? This is awful. I can’t believe they’d do this to a leader of their government who tried taking over with the military. Despicable. Anyways, you should watch out.

I like the idea of this. It think 100% of Americans in their right minds should agree with it…

My issue is how do we expect this to be adopted let alone be enforced? Like, this is cool, but is it going to do anything? Or are Dems just throwing this out there so they can keep saying, “See!? We’re still better than those guys!” While still taking it up the ass from the GOP?

And do I, a Lemmy user, have all the answers in how to change things? I don’t think I personally do. But we’ve seen Dems start to fight back and fold already. Just look at your health insurance premiums. Remember that lock-out? Look at this most recent “shutdown” that lasted like 24 hours.

Here’s the thing…

So, I do. I know exactly what I’m asking for. When the crash happens, people will die. Lots of people will die. Not just lives being wrecked. Not just people losing jobs. People will die.

Here’s the thing. We’re already seeing that. The alternative is that things continue to go up in price and people can’t afford basic necessities like insulin. At the current rate of inflation starting from 2022, a person with diabetes would spend >$2million in the next 50 years just on that. By 2070 that would be over $120K/year.

So my argument is, what’s better? Having people with money lose some of it and ultimately get bailed out, or let Americans die en masse so that the rich can keep their money?

As for my part about people dying due to a crash, yeah, that happens. But my argument is that we are dying already and that rate is going to increase because of the cost of everything. Would you rather keep everything together with duct tape and just hope the bottom never falls out, knowing that it will fall out, but keeping millions of Americans in poverty and kill them fast? Or would you want to embrace the crash knowing that now we can rebuild? Because that’s what happens in the economic cycle.

Because again, the things they warn us about; people losing homes, jobs, access to healthcare, etc. These things are already happening so that they can continue to make stock go up and keep their bank accounts fat. They’ve subsidized their massive salaries and stock portfolios by laying off hundreds or thousands of workers so they can (a) show a ton of profit or (b) use the money they “saved” by firing workers to jump into AI because this means they can pay themselves more. T-Mobile just laid off ~500 employees after many rounds of layoffs since 2023 in October and more have already been announced. Cisco laid off ~8000 people in less than a year between 2023 & 2024. The Federal Govt. has laid off how many in the last year? All in the name of profit. We’re already dealing with the things they warn us about.

So really, what are we afraid of? All of these things we worry about happening are already happening? The reality is that crashes don’t hurt most Americans, just the ones working in corporate (which I do). I know what I’m asking. But what alternative is there?

Edit: I should mention, yes, all the things you say we need are true. But my argument is that you are really still just asking for a crash. A correction/deflation, etc. that’s a crash if we want to “correct” the market as much as we need to.

As for the parts about housing inventory and NIMBY, yeah. I totally agree. But that doesn’t make me want a crash any less. Like, yeah, it’d be cool if housing were a little less, but with most American families bringing in $45-$60k/year, they need it to come down a lot, along with the cost of everything else. Which would happen with a crash.

What you said is how experts (not me) have proposed we make these changes. On top of that, we the people hold tremendous power to change these things, too. Ignoring that real lasting change needs to be made at a federal level, we can go to zoning meetings to change what is allowed in our areas. Does it seem like a tough ask? Yes. I understand that. But as of now, besides voting because our lives depend on it, we can get out there and make meaningful changes in our community.

As far as the economic changes. I think more people than you’d expect want it. The issue is us younger people making it to those places to make our voices heard. Just illustrate the point even if it’s not related, Minneapolis employees are having to take PTO or unscheduled and unpaid time off to get to these protests. And they’re lucky if they don’t get fired when they go. But we have a ton of people that want this change. It’s like the “Haves and Have-Nots.” The issue is that the people who have things have the capacity to make it to these meetings and make those local decisions. They’re also the people that are frankly in office at a federal level.

Believe me, as one of these have-nots that is trying to buy a house right now and isn’t able to put a ton of money in the stock market, the game is just different for me. I welcome a crash and so do the people around me at my age. Will some of us lose our jobs? 100%, but we are already seeing people lose their jobs to keep this bubble from bursting. So to us, the only people that would lose out are the rich people with a ton of liquid assets that would deflate in value, not us.

This has come to the forefront in America since Covid and has become the reason why a lot of American’s (younger Millenials and Gen Z) can’t buy homes, beyond Gen Z being unable to find gainful employment (1/3 in unemployed). I think stating holes in their argument like “there are good landlords out there” or “what about this specific instance” is literally arguing against a rule with exceptions. That’s not what this post is talking about. They are talking about the “corporations” who are just some rich older person or couple that are buying one, two, or three extra properties and renting them out. Frankly that’s the biggest reason why housing costs have skyrocketed.

The US Federal Reserve is trying to curb this by keeping the Prime Lending Rate (PLR) high, but Trump is putting pressure on him because lowering the PLR would look good for him on paper because it would look like he did something immediate to alleviate the economic pressure we’re feeling in America, directly because of him and his policies. BUT, that would be catastrophic to us “poor” (people making less that $240K/year; 90% of Americans), and I think you can see why. Yeah, if American’s with large savings accounts (years ago the figure was (0% of Americans have less than $1000 in savings, so just imagine how it is now) all of a sudden saw that the mortgage on a house dropped from . . . lets just take the average cost of a “starter home” @$210K . . . $1,762.34/month to where it was prior to the pandemic at (~3%) $1,347.87, the rich Americans that were already buying those extra houses would just buy more extra houses and charge YOU, a poor American, that ~$1500/month and still charge you for any maintenance they have to do (depending on how your state renter laws are set up).

But even with all that, we still have the issue of how much houses cost. And because of the aforementioned “extra houses,” we have seen a skyrocket in the cost of houses. I won’t do a deep dive on it, but I will sum it up and link to a podcast you can listen to: an average home “should” cost ~$120K in today’s money, but because of the MASSIVE bubble created, that home now costs ~$400K. Why? because of people buying extra homes, and those same people who don’t have jobs being able to make it to zoning meetings to tell the planners they only want “big” homes in their areas to increase the selling price of their own home. That then has a cascading effect: let’s say this happens somewhere in California like a suburb of San Fransico. That means that people no longer can afford to live there so they move to let’s say Dallas. Now Dallas has less supply and more demand and the sellers jack up their prices arbitrarily because they want more profit. Then the buyer rents it out and keeps increasing rent prices so they can keep making more money.

This is what the X Poster is complaining about. Not an immigrant charging reasonable rent prices or “good” landlords, because the truth is, those aren’t the type of people typically renting out houses to poor people who couldn’t afford to buy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bajyEFHK0M&t=1198s Here’s another video that’s kinda related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsCniN7Nsc